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Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna on Tower.

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Thorbjørn Pedersen
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 4:42 AM

http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx
Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about.

The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way all day.
The cable and doom is also temperature controlled.

Best Regards

Thorbjørn W. Pedersen

http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about. The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way all day. The cable and doom is also temperature controlled. Best Regards Thorbjørn W. Pedersen
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Bryan _
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 5:59 AM

I have wondered how geologists are able to measure tectonic plate movements in the earths surface to a couple cm's when the sensors from what I see/read they are nothing more than sensors in concrete boxes?. I believe they use various technologies such as Very Long Baseline Interferometryhttp://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/structure/dynamicearth/plates_move/active_tectonics/vlbi.htm (VLBI) and Satellite Laser Ranginghttp://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/structure/dynamicearth/plates_move/active_tectonics/slr1.htm (SLR)

All fascinating stuff....

-=Bryan=-


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http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx
[http://www.sp.se/sv/index/resources/GNSS/PublishingImages/pelare.jpg]http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx

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GNSS-equipment RISE has equipment for GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite Systems) for applications in Time and Frequency, Positioning and Atmospheric Studies.

Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about.

The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way all day.
The cable and doom is also temperature controlled.

Best Regards

Thorbjørn W. Pedersen


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I have wondered how geologists are able to measure tectonic plate movements in the earths surface to a couple cm's when the sensors from what I see/read they are nothing more than sensors in concrete boxes?. I believe they use various technologies such as Very Long Baseline Interferometry<http://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/structure/dynamicearth/plates_move/active_tectonics/vlbi.htm> (VLBI) and Satellite Laser Ranging<http://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/structure/dynamicearth/plates_move/active_tectonics/slr1.htm> (SLR) All fascinating stuff.... -=Bryan=- ________________________________ From: time-nuts <time-nuts-bounces@febo.com> on behalf of Thorbjørn Pedersen <Thorbjorn.Pedersen@ikm.no> Sent: June 19, 2017 9:42 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna on Tower. http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx [http://www.sp.se/sv/index/resources/GNSS/PublishingImages/pelare.jpg]<http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx> GNSS-equipment - SP<http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx> www.sp.se GNSS-equipment RISE has equipment for GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite Systems) for applications in Time and Frequency, Positioning and Atmospheric Studies. Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about. The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way all day. The cable and doom is also temperature controlled. Best Regards Thorbjørn W. Pedersen _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts time-nuts Info Page - American Febo Enterprises<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> www.febo.com time-nuts is a low volume, high SNR list for the discussion of precise time and frequency measurement and related topics. To see the collection of prior postings to ... and follow the instructions there.
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jimlux
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:03 PM

for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a
pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock.

"All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be
installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can
be freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length."

http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument-overview-300.html
http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm

Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers

or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station

http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf

for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock. "All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can be freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length." http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument-overview-300.html http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf
DJ
Didier Juges
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:11 PM

If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :)

On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a
pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock.

"All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be
installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can be
freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length."

http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument
-overview-300.html
http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm

Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers

or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station

http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf


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If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :) On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: > > for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a > pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock. > > "All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be > installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can be > freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length." > > http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument > -overview-300.html > http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm > > > Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers > > > or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station > > http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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jimlux
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:21 PM

On 6/20/17 5:11 AM, Didier Juges wrote:

If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :)

if you're a "real time-nut" you drill your own holes - you buy a surplus
drilling rig, refurbish it, figure out how to work it (maybe there's a
"drill-nuts" list?), etc.

But at least the station will probably fit in your backyard.

On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a
pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock.

"All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be
installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can be
freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length."

http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument
-overview-300.html
http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm

Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers

or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station

http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf


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On 6/20/17 5:11 AM, Didier Juges wrote: > If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :) if you're a "real time-nut" you drill your own holes - you buy a surplus drilling rig, refurbish it, figure out how to work it (maybe there's a "drill-nuts" list?), etc. But at least the station will probably fit in your backyard. > > On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >> for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a >> pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock. >> >> "All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be >> installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can be >> freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length." >> >> http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument >> -overview-300.html >> http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm >> >> >> Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers >> >> >> or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station >> >> http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m >> ailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Wes
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:36 PM

It was bright sunshine and 46 degrees C here in the desert near Tucson, Arizona
yesterday.  It would take a lot of cooling to keep that solar collector (radome)
cool.

Wes Stewart

On 6/19/2017 9:42 PM, Thorbjørn Pedersen wrote:

http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx
Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about.

The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way all day.
The cable and doom is also temperature controlled.

Best Regards

Thorbjørn W. Pedersen


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It was bright sunshine and 46 degrees C here in the desert near Tucson, Arizona yesterday. It would take a lot of cooling to keep that solar collector (radome) cool. Wes Stewart On 6/19/2017 9:42 PM, Thorbjørn Pedersen wrote: > http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx > Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about. > > The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way all day. > The cable and doom is also temperature controlled. > > Best Regards > > Thorbjørn W. Pedersen > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Clay Autery
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:39 PM

LOL!!!  My first reaction to reading the drill for sub-subterranean GPS
mast was...

Wonder if I could borrow Shappell's little drilling rig to do THAT hole
and the vertical wells for the geo-thermal cooling loops?

Followed closely by...

Wonder what kind and number of Sorbothan, et al. dampers required to
damp the locally generated vibrations that would resonate in that length
"tuning fork" hooked to the bedrock?

<big grin>  Even we non-scientists on this reflector reserve the right
to be equally nutty.  <wink>

PS - I have a master map of my back yard in order to manage the
available square footage and its use and to de-conflict the
sub-subterranean "air space".


Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/20/2017 7:21 AM, jimlux wrote:

On 6/20/17 5:11 AM, Didier Juges wrote:

If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :)

if you're a "real time-nut" you drill your own holes - you buy a
surplus drilling rig, refurbish it, figure out how to work it (maybe
there's a "drill-nuts" list?), etc.

But at least the station will probably fit in your backyard.

LOL!!! My first reaction to reading the drill for sub-subterranean GPS mast was... Wonder if I could borrow Shappell's little drilling rig to do THAT hole and the vertical wells for the geo-thermal cooling loops? Followed closely by... Wonder what kind and number of Sorbothan, et al. dampers required to damp the locally generated vibrations that would resonate in that length "tuning fork" hooked to the bedrock? <big grin> Even we non-scientists on this reflector reserve the right to be equally nutty. <wink> PS - I have a master map of my back yard in order to manage the available square footage and its use and to de-conflict the sub-subterranean "air space". ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G On 6/20/2017 7:21 AM, jimlux wrote: > On 6/20/17 5:11 AM, Didier Juges wrote: >> If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :) > > if you're a "real time-nut" you drill your own holes - you buy a > surplus drilling rig, refurbish it, figure out how to work it (maybe > there's a "drill-nuts" list?), etc. > > But at least the station will probably fit in your backyard. >
MW
Michael Wouters
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:44 PM

Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30ps, there's probably not

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:11 pm, Didier Juges shalimr9@gmail.com wrote:

If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :)

On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a
pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock.

"All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be
installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can be
freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length."

http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument
-overview-300.html
http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm

Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers

or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station

http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf


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Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30ps, there's probably not On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:11 pm, Didier Juges <shalimr9@gmail.com> wrote: > If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :) > > On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a > > pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock. > > > > "All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be > > installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can be > > freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length." > > > > http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument > > -overview-300.html > > http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm > > > > > > Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers > > > > > > or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station > > > > http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Michael Wouters
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:51 PM

Try again ...,

Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30 ps, there's probably not much point
in putting your GNSS antenna on a geodetic monument if all you care about
is timing. But it does matter if you're trying to track continental drift.

Michael

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:44 pm, Michael Wouters michaeljwouters@gmail.com
wrote:

Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30ps, there's probably not

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:11 pm, Didier Juges shalimr9@gmail.com wrote:

If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :)

On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a
pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock.

"All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be
installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can

be

freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length."

http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument
-overview-300.html
http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm

Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers

or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station

http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf


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Try again ..., Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30 ps, there's probably not much point in putting your GNSS antenna on a geodetic monument if all you care about is timing. But it does matter if you're trying to track continental drift. Michael On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:44 pm, Michael Wouters <michaeljwouters@gmail.com> wrote: > Since 1cm of motion is equivalent to 30ps, there's probably not > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 at 10:11 pm, Didier Juges <shalimr9@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If that is not time-nutty, I do not know what will :) >> >> On Jun 20, 2017 7:04 AM, "jimlux" <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> > for geodetic measurements, they drill a hole down to bedrock, and run a >> > pipe down to anchor the antenna to the bedrock. >> > >> > "All holes shall be drilled straight enough so that PVC casing can be >> > installed in the top 15.5 ft of each hole, and that the steel pipe can >> be >> > freely lowered, not forced, for its entire 35 ft length." >> > >> > http://kb.unavco.org/kb/article/deep-drilled-braced-monument >> > -overview-300.html >> > http://www.scign.org/arch/sdb_monument.htm >> > >> > >> > Google for Ken Hudnutt's or Frank Webb's papers >> > >> > >> > or a 3m tall monument for a CORS station >> > >> > http://www.mwrtk.net/support_docs/corsinstallprocedures.pdf >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m >> > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> > and follow the instructions there. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >
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"Björn Gabrielsson"
Tue, Jun 20, 2017 1:27 PM

Hi Thorbjörn,

To bad this particula antenna has surrounding buildings (and maybe trees)
that mask low elevation satellites.

--

Björn

http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx
Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about.

The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun
heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way
all day.
The cable and doom is also temperature controlled.

Best Regards

Thorbjørn W. Pedersen


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Hi Thorbjörn, To bad this particula antenna has surrounding buildings (and maybe trees) that mask low elevation satellites. -- Björn > http://www.sp.se/en/index/resources/GNSS/Sidor/default.aspx > Have a look at the best receiving antenna I know about. > > The tower must have cooling tubes coiled around it because of the sun > heating one side will make it bend away from the sun, and turn this way > all day. > The cable and doom is also temperature controlled. > > Best Regards > > Thorbjørn W. Pedersen > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >