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W
w4wj@aol.com
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 6:38 AM

Hello Time Nuts...

 
After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.
 
Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem.  
 
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
 
So, Time Nuts...  any suggestions or recommendations?
 
TNX
 
73
Don
W4WJ

Hello Time Nuts...   After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any hour of the day, flawless transfer between standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.   Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, each with some type of problem.     So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, which will give me some kind of time accuracy.   So, Time Nuts...  any suggestions or recommendations?   TNX   73 Don W4WJ
BB
Bill Beam
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 7:30 AM

My 37 year old Rolex day-date gains less than 2 sec/day compared to GPS clock.
Rolex standard is +6/-2 sec/day.

Regards, NL7F

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:

Hello Time Nuts...

-�
After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.
-�
Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem. -�
-�
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
-�
So, Time Nuts... -�any suggestions or recommendations?
-�
TNX
-�
73
Don
W4WJ


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NL7F

My 37 year old Rolex day-date gains less than 2 sec/day compared to GPS clock. Rolex standard is +6/-2 sec/day. Regards, NL7F On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote: >Hello Time Nuts... >-� >After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any >hour of the day, flawless transfer between >standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium >Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago. >-� >Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, >each with some type of problem. -� >-� >So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, >which will give me some kind of time accuracy. >-� >So, Time Nuts... -�any suggestions or recommendations? >-� >TNX >-� >73 >Don >W4WJ >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. Bill Beam NL7F
W
w4wj@aol.com
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 8:20 AM

Hi Bill...
 
My Rolex GMT Master was stolen back in '75,
so no luck on that.  Rolex is a bit pricey for
my needs.
 
My Seiko CQ001M, one of the first Seiko Digitals,
was amazing.  Over the time I had it, it varied less
than plus/minus 1 second against WWV.  I carried
a Radio Shack Time Kube with me, when I was
challeneged, as to the accuracy of that watch!  
It died many years later, and the replacement
innards were totally "loose!"
 
Yes, I think that Time Kube qualifies me as a
"Old School Time Nut!  ;-)
 
TNX Bill.
 
73
Don
W4WJ
 
In a message dated 3/5/2018 1:31:04 AM Central Standard Time, wbeam@gci.net writes:

 
My 37 year old Rolex day-date gains less than 2 sec/day compared to GPS clock.
Rolex standard is +6/-2 sec/day.

Regards, NL7F

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:

Hello Time Nuts...

-�
After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.
-�
Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem. -�
-�
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
-�
So, Time Nuts... -�any suggestions or recommendations?
-�
TNX
-�
73
Don
W4WJ


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Hi Bill...   My Rolex GMT Master was stolen back in '75, so no luck on that.  Rolex is a bit pricey for my needs.   My Seiko CQ001M, one of the first Seiko Digitals, was amazing.  Over the time I had it, it varied less than plus/minus 1 second against WWV.  I carried a Radio Shack Time Kube with me, when I was challeneged, as to the accuracy of that watch!   It died many years later, and the replacement innards were totally "loose!"   Yes, I think that Time Kube qualifies me as a "Old School Time Nut!  ;-)   TNX Bill.   73 Don W4WJ   In a message dated 3/5/2018 1:31:04 AM Central Standard Time, wbeam@gci.net writes:   My 37 year old Rolex day-date gains less than 2 sec/day compared to GPS clock. Rolex standard is +6/-2 sec/day. Regards, NL7F On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote: >Hello Time Nuts... >-� >After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any >hour of the day, flawless transfer between >standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium >Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago. >-� >Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, >each with some type of problem. -� >-� >So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, >which will give me some kind of time accuracy. >-� >So, Time Nuts... -�any suggestions or recommendations? >-� >TNX >-� >73 >Don >W4WJ >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. Bill Beam NL7F _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Bill S
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 9:07 AM

I wore a Casio "Atomic" watch and it set itself reliably for many years
until very recently. They are still available.  I've replaced it with a
Seiko Solar "Radio" watch which I understand has a better wwvb receiver
in it. Haven't worn it yet so I'm not sure how it will perform but I've
heard good comments.
Bill

On 3/5/2018 1:38 AM, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:

Hello Time Nuts...

After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.

Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem.

So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.

So, Time Nuts...  any suggestions or recommendations?

TNX

73
Don
W4WJ


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I wore a Casio "Atomic" watch and it set itself reliably for many years until very recently. They are still available.  I've replaced it with a Seiko Solar "Radio" watch which I understand has a better wwvb receiver in it. Haven't worn it yet so I'm not sure how it will perform but I've heard good comments. Bill On 3/5/2018 1:38 AM, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote: > Hello Time Nuts... > > > > After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any > hour of the day, flawless transfer between > standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium > Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago. > > Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, > each with some type of problem. > > So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, > which will give me some kind of time accuracy. > > So, Time Nuts...  any suggestions or recommendations? > > TNX > > 73 > Don > W4WJ > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > . >
BB
Bill Beam
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 9:43 AM

Even my pre civil war pocket watches should be good enough
for your needs.  Better than a minute/day.

But for some (many) time-nuts it's about wants, not needs.

My clocks and watches that can be heard across the room qualify
me as old school time nut.  (My DOB qualifies me as just plain old.)

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 03:20:40 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:

Hi Bill...
-�
My Rolex GMT Master was stolen back in '75,
so no luck on that. -�Rolex is a bit pricey for
my needs.
-�
My Seiko CQ001M, one of the first Seiko Digitals,
was amazing. -�Over the time I had it, it varied less
than plus/minus 1 second against WWV. -�I carried
a Radio Shack Time Kube with me, when I was
challeneged, as to the accuracy of that watch! -�
It died many-�years later, and the replacement
innards were-�totally "loose!"
-�
Yes, I think that Time Kube qualifies me as a
"Old School Time Nut! -�;-)
-�
TNX Bill.
-�
73
Don
W4WJ
-�
In a message dated 3/5/2018 1:31:04 AM Central Standard Time, wbeam@gci.net writes:

-�
My 37 year old Rolex day-date gains less than 2 sec/day compared to GPS clock.
Rolex standard is +6/-2 sec/day.

Regards, NL7F

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:

Hello Time Nuts...

-n++
After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.
-n++
Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem. -n++
-n++
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
-n++
So, Time Nuts... -n++any suggestions or recommendations?
-n++
TNX
-n++
73
Don
W4WJ


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NL7F


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Even my pre civil war pocket watches should be good enough for your needs. Better than a minute/day. But for some (many) time-nuts it's about wants, not needs. My clocks and watches that can be heard across the room qualify me as old school time nut. (My DOB qualifies me as just plain old.) On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 03:20:40 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote: >Hi Bill... >-� >My Rolex GMT Master was stolen back in '75, >so no luck on that. -�Rolex is a bit pricey for >my needs. >-� >My Seiko CQ001M, one of the first Seiko Digitals, >was amazing. -�Over the time I had it, it varied less >than plus/minus 1 second against WWV. -�I carried >a Radio Shack Time Kube with me, when I was >challeneged, as to the accuracy of that watch! -� >It died many-�years later, and the replacement >innards were-�totally "loose!" >-� >Yes, I think that Time Kube qualifies me as a >"Old School Time Nut! -�;-) >-� >TNX Bill. >-� >73 >Don >W4WJ >-� >In a message dated 3/5/2018 1:31:04 AM Central Standard Time, wbeam@gci.net writes: >-� > My 37 year old Rolex day-date gains less than 2 sec/day compared to GPS clock. >Rolex standard is +6/-2 sec/day. >Regards, NL7F >On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote: >>Hello Time Nuts... >>-n++ >>After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any >>hour of the day, flawless transfer between >>standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium >>Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago. >>-n++ >>Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, >>each with some type of problem. -n++ >>-n++ >>So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, >>which will give me some kind of time accuracy. >>-n++ >>So, Time Nuts... -n++any suggestions or recommendations? >>-n++ >>TNX >>-n++ >>73 >>Don >>W4WJ >>_______________________________________________ >>time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>and follow the instructions there. >Bill Beam >NL7F >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. Bill Beam NL7F
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Attila Kinali
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 10:44 AM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500
Don Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.

I've owned several Swatch and Tissot over the past decades,
Growing up in Switzerland does that to you. :-)

I currently have a Tissot P-Touch (first generation) and
a Swatch Irony in active use. Both are accurate enough
that I only set them twice a year (DST switch) and they
are usually off by less than 10s. Which is good enough
for my needs as a wristwatch.

So I guess, go for any modern Swiss quartz watch :-)

		Attila Kinali

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the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no
use without that foundation.
-- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500 Don Murray via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, > which will give me some kind of time accuracy. I've owned several Swatch and Tissot over the past decades, Growing up in Switzerland does that to you. :-) I currently have a Tissot P-Touch (first generation) and a Swatch Irony in active use. Both are accurate enough that I only set them twice a year (DST switch) and they are usually off by less than 10s. Which is good enough for my needs as a wristwatch. So I guess, go for any modern Swiss quartz watch :-) Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson
BK
Bob kb8tq
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 1:01 PM

Hi

On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:38 AM, Don Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

Hello Time Nuts...

After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.

Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem.

So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.

So, Time Nuts...  any suggestions or recommendations?

If you want to stick with WWV, the Citizen “Ecco Drive” (solar) WWVB
watches are a pretty good option. Until I caved in to the wonders of
a cell phone on my wrist, I used them for many years. Nothing to fuss
with. No battery to die on you. Always keeps the right time. Available
in titanium. The only drawback is the limited number of styles they
make it in. You may or may not see one you like the looks of.

Bob

TNX

73
Don
W4WJ


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Hi > On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:38 AM, Don Murray via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > > Hello Time Nuts... > > > > After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any > hour of the day, flawless transfer between > standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium > Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago. > > Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, > each with some type of problem. > > So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, > which will give me some kind of time accuracy. > > So, Time Nuts... any suggestions or recommendations? If you want to stick with WWV, the Citizen “Ecco Drive” (solar) WWVB watches are a pretty good option. Until I caved in to the wonders of a cell phone on my wrist, I used them for many years. Nothing to fuss with. No battery to die on you. Always keeps the right time. Available in titanium. The only drawback is the limited number of styles they make it in. You may or may not see one you like the looks of. Bob > > TNX > > 73 > Don > W4WJ > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Gerhard Hoffmann
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 2:27 PM

Am 05.03.2018 um 14:01 schrieb Bob kb8tq:

If you want to stick with WWV, the Citizen “Ecco Drive” (solar) WWVB

ECO-Drive

watches are a pretty good option. Until I caved in to the wonders of
a cell phone on my wrist, I used them for many years. Nothing to fuss
with. No battery to die on you. Always keeps the right time. Available
in titanium. The only drawback is the limited number of styles they
make it in. You may or may not see one you like the looks of.

I second that. In Europe, it synchronizes to DCF77 and in
Japan to Fukushima, if that should be operational again.

I wonder how they make it, that it lives from just a few
photons now & then, year after year.

Gerhard

Am 05.03.2018 um 14:01 schrieb Bob kb8tq: > If you want to stick with WWV, the Citizen “Ecco Drive” (solar) WWVB ECO-Drive > watches are a pretty good option. Until I caved in to the wonders of > a cell phone on my wrist, I used them for many years. Nothing to fuss > with. No battery to die on you. Always keeps the right time. Available > in titanium. The only drawback is the limited number of styles they > make it in. You may or may not see one you like the looks of. > I second that. In Europe, it synchronizes to DCF77 and in Japan to Fukushima, if that should be operational again. I wonder how they make it, that it lives from just a few photons now & then, year after year. Gerhard
WH
William H. Fite
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 3:07 PM

For those of us whose time-nuttery extends into the fascinating world of
mechanical watches and clocks, the kind of accuracy usually discussed here
is not only impossible but essentially irrelevant (quelle horreur!). Our
interest is in the beauty and elegance of micromechanical devices that have
evolved over centuries. When I look down at one of the 25 or so
wristwatches in my small collection or up at the ten wall and floor clocks
in my home, I am seeing far more than merely the time. If all I want is the
time, I can always glance at my phone or go to the basement and fiddle with
one or another of the electronic devices there.

My oldest watch, a Waltham Model 57, has been running continuously for 150
years and still keeps time within a minute per day. Horology is about so
much more than crystals and resonances and Allen deviations.

On Monday, March 5, 2018, Gerhard Hoffmann dk4xp@arcor.de wrote:

Am 05.03.2018 um 14:01 schrieb Bob kb8tq:

If you want to stick with WWV, the Citizen “Ecco Drive” (solar) WWVB

ECO-Drive

watches are a pretty good option. Until I caved in to the wonders of
a cell phone on my wrist, I used them for many years. Nothing to fuss
with. No battery to die on you. Always keeps the right time. Available
in titanium. The only drawback is the limited number of styles they
make it in. You may or may not see one you like the looks of.

I second that. In Europe, it synchronizes to DCF77 and in
Japan to Fukushima, if that should be operational again.

I wonder how they make it, that it lives from just a few
photons now & then, year after year.

Gerhard


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For those of us whose time-nuttery extends into the fascinating world of mechanical watches and clocks, the kind of accuracy usually discussed here is not only impossible but essentially irrelevant (quelle horreur!). Our interest is in the beauty and elegance of micromechanical devices that have evolved over centuries. When I look down at one of the 25 or so wristwatches in my small collection or up at the ten wall and floor clocks in my home, I am seeing far more than merely the time. If all I want is the time, I can always glance at my phone or go to the basement and fiddle with one or another of the electronic devices there. My oldest watch, a Waltham Model 57, has been running continuously for 150 years and still keeps time within a minute per day. Horology is about so much more than crystals and resonances and Allen deviations. On Monday, March 5, 2018, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote: > > > Am 05.03.2018 um 14:01 schrieb Bob kb8tq: > >> If you want to stick with WWV, the Citizen “Ecco Drive” (solar) WWVB >> > ECO-Drive > >> watches are a pretty good option. Until I caved in to the wonders of >> a cell phone on my wrist, I used them for many years. Nothing to fuss >> with. No battery to die on you. Always keeps the right time. Available >> in titanium. The only drawback is the limited number of styles they >> make it in. You may or may not see one you like the looks of. >> >> > I second that. In Europe, it synchronizes to DCF77 and in > Japan to Fukushima, if that should be operational again. > > I wonder how they make it, that it lives from just a few > photons now & then, year after year. > > Gerhard > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot for sinners. His standards are quite low. --Desmond Tutu
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Jerry Hancock
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 3:41 PM

If you are into rugged, I have a casio atomic solar that special forces use…

I was able to tail-end a gov’t contract and got it for cheap.

aren’t we silly.

Regards,

Jerry

Jerry Hancock
jerry@hanler.com
(415) 215-3779

On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Don Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

Hello Time Nuts...

After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.

Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem.

So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.

So, Time Nuts...  any suggestions or recommendations?

TNX

73
Don
W4WJ


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If you are into rugged, I have a casio atomic solar that special forces use… I was able to tail-end a gov’t contract and got it for cheap. aren’t we silly. Regards, Jerry Jerry Hancock jerry@hanler.com (415) 215-3779 > On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Don Murray via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > > Hello Time Nuts... > > > > After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any > hour of the day, flawless transfer between > standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium > Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago. > > Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, > each with some type of problem. > > So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, > which will give me some kind of time accuracy. > > So, Time Nuts... any suggestions or recommendations? > > TNX > > 73 > Don > W4WJ > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.