Need a Watch Recommendation
An by the way, I also have a Tissot P-touch as a retirement gift from IBM. Got the watch, as they say. I can say it is very accurate for a non-disciplined watch if you wear it every day.
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Jerry
Jerry Hancock
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On Mar 5, 2018, at 2:44 AM, Attila Kinali attila@kinali.ch wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:38:06 -0500
Don Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
I've owned several Swatch and Tissot over the past decades,
Growing up in Switzerland does that to you. :-)
I currently have a Tissot P-Touch (first generation) and
a Swatch Irony in active use. Both are accurate enough
that I only set them twice a year (DST switch) and they
are usually off by less than 10s. Which is good enough
for my needs as a wristwatch.
So I guess, go for any modern Swiss quartz watch :-)
Attila Kinali
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 07:45:51 -0800
Jerry Hancock jerry@hanler.com wrote:
An by the way, I also have a Tissot P-touch as a retirement gift from IBM.
Got the watch, as they say. I can say it is very accurate for a non-
disciplined watch if you wear it every day.
Even if you do not wear it, it's very accurate. I guess they use
the internal termperature sensor to compensate the crystal.
How they get to sub-ppm stability over half a year, I have no clue.
And this one is almost 20 years old.
Attila Kinali
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I really don't want a conductive metal-case watch on my arm. What I do
want is a light-weight, thin watch with day, date and analog display
with sweep second hand. Not digital... Ok, that may be old-fashioned but
it suits me. I've never found a suitable wwvb watch.
So, I opt for an inexpensive (<$50) Swatch. Very light-weight, thin,
plastic case, plastic band, all non-conductive. And,
externally-replaceable power button cell.
Accuracy? Ok, not TimeNut accuracy but I find mine is accurate to 5
seconds per month. And, the second hand is settable.
I do carry an Android cell phone; its clock is always a few seconds off.
I use an app, Sol Et Umbra, that reads the internal GPS clock for
displayed time and it also displays the difference between NTP and the
phone internal clock. This is a sundial design/interpretation app but it
gives the time of local solar noon (sun meridian transit), a value I use
rather often. It is written by a prominent sundial enthusiast, is free
and has no advertisements; it does lots more, too.
But, honestly, I usually just look at my analog Swatch!
Larry W6FUB
On 3/5/2018 7:45 AM, Jerry Hancock wrote:
An by the way, I also have a Tissot P-touch as a retirement gift from IBM. Got the watch, as they say. I can say it is very accurate for a non-disciplined watch if you wear it every day....
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Best wishes,
Larry McDavid W6FUB
Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland)
Eurochron (I believe they're low-end brand of Junghams) make a plastic
DCF77 watch. 'Plastic' doesn't do it justice - although the one I had
eventually wore away, it was attractive and well made and lasted for
several years.
I think this is the WWVB equivalent.
http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com/ateuransporw4.html
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Larry McDavid lmcdavid@lmceng.com wrote:
I really don't want a conductive metal-case watch on my arm. What I do
want is a light-weight, thin watch with day, date and analog display with
sweep second hand. Not digital... Ok, that may be old-fashioned but it
suits me. I've never found a suitable wwvb watch.
So, I opt for an inexpensive (<$50) Swatch. Very light-weight, thin,
plastic case, plastic band, all non-conductive. And, externally-replaceable
power button cell.
Accuracy? Ok, not TimeNut accuracy but I find mine is accurate to 5
seconds per month. And, the second hand is settable.
I do carry an Android cell phone; its clock is always a few seconds off. I
use an app, Sol Et Umbra, that reads the internal GPS clock for displayed
time and it also displays the difference between NTP and the phone internal
clock. This is a sundial design/interpretation app but it gives the time of
local solar noon (sun meridian transit), a value I use rather often. It is
written by a prominent sundial enthusiast, is free and has no
advertisements; it does lots more, too.
But, honestly, I usually just look at my analog Swatch!
Larry W6FUB
On 3/5/2018 7:45 AM, Jerry Hancock wrote:
An by the way, I also have a Tissot P-touch as a retirement gift from
IBM. Got the watch, as they say. I can say it is very accurate for a
non-disciplined watch if you wear it every day....
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Best wishes,
Larry McDavid W6FUB
Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland)
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And that is just my point--well, part of it, anyway--ultra-precise
measurement of time is profoundly important, and rightly the primary focus
of this group. But for the wrist, very, very few of us need pin-point
accuracy--though many seem to perceive that we do. My Tissot mechanical
chronograph is right now doing a fantastic job of timing the eggs I'm
boiling for my lunch.
On Monday, March 5, 2018, Larry McDavid lmcdavid@lmceng.com wrote:
I really don't want a conductive metal-case watch on my arm. What I do
want is a light-weight, thin watch with day, date and analog display with
sweep second hand. Not digital... Ok, that may be old-fashioned but it
suits me. I've never found a suitable wwvb watch.
So, I opt for an inexpensive (<$50) Swatch. Very light-weight, thin,
plastic case, plastic band, all non-conductive. And, externally-replaceable
power button cell.
Accuracy? Ok, not TimeNut accuracy but I find mine is accurate to 5
seconds per month. And, the second hand is settable.
I do carry an Android cell phone; its clock is always a few seconds off. I
use an app, Sol Et Umbra, that reads the internal GPS clock for displayed
time and it also displays the difference between NTP and the phone internal
clock. This is a sundial design/interpretation app but it gives the time of
local solar noon (sun meridian transit), a value I use rather often. It is
written by a prominent sundial enthusiast, is free and has no
advertisements; it does lots more, too.
But, honestly, I usually just look at my analog Swatch!
Larry W6FUB
On 3/5/2018 7:45 AM, Jerry Hancock wrote:
An by the way, I also have a Tissot P-touch as a retirement gift from
IBM. Got the watch, as they say. I can say it is very accurate for a
non-disciplined watch if you wear it every day....
--
Best wishes,
Larry McDavid W6FUB
Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland)
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Lots of folks have chimed in on this thread, but I will just add that the Apple watch is an NTP client. I’m extremely happy with mine, but the reasons I am are far, far wider than its accuracy (which I can only judge by eye, which is an extraordinary low bar for a Time Nut).
On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Don Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:
Hello Time Nuts...
After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.
Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem.
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
So, Time Nuts... any suggestions or recommendations?
TNX
73
Don
W4WJ
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I think what makes the IWatch unique is it has an option that makes it a standalone cell phone. With this new option it no longer need to be in proximity of you IPhone. You leave the IPhone at home and have a fully function cell phone on your wrist. The only hitch is they will not let you active a watch separately, it must be tied to you IPhone number.
Garmin also make some nice sport watches that a fully functional GPS receivers. Everything but a one PPS and 10MHz output.
Cheers;
Thomas Knox
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Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 10:13 AM
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Lots of folks have chimed in on this thread, but I will just add that the Apple watch is an NTP client. I’m extremely happy with mine, but the reasons I am are far, far wider than its accuracy (which I can only judge by eye, which is an extraordinary low bar for a Time Nut).
On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Don Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:
Hello Time Nuts...
After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any
hour of the day, flawless transfer between
standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium
Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.
Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements,
each with some type of problem.
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch,
which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
So, Time Nuts... any suggestions or recommendations?
TNX
73
Don
W4WJ
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Don,
I am very pleased with the performance of my CITIZEN Eco-Drive SKYHAWK. It can receive WWVB (USA), JJY (Japan), or DCF77 (Germany). I am convinced it is accurate to within 1 second at all times. It is a 'Blue Angels' watch, part of the NaviHawk series I think.
http://www.citizenwatch-global.com/support/pdf/u600/e.pdf
The link to the manual is above.
Good luck.
Joe
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From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Murray via time-nuts
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Subject: [time-nuts] Need a Watch Recommendation
Hello Time Nuts...
After 6 years of no troubles, in sync with WWV any hour of the day, flawless transfer between standard and daylight time my Stauer Titanium Atomic wristwatch bite the dust a year ago.
Since then, Stauer has sent me three replacements, each with some type of problem.
So it looks as if I am in need of a new wristwatch, which will give me some kind of time accuracy.
So, Time Nuts... any suggestions or recommendations?
TNX
73
Don
W4WJ
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On 3/5/2018 7:38 AM, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:
So, Time Nuts... any suggestions or recommendations?
For non-formal, day-to-day wear, I've been partial to Casio G-Shock
watches for a long time. They're rugged, reliable, and have the basic
features one might want: stopwatch, countdown timer, a few user-settable
alarms, etc. without too many bells and whistles.
Watches with "Multi-Band 6" have long wave time signal receiving
capability and can receive signals from WWVB, MSF, DCF77, and
transmitters in China and Japan.
They also make watches that have GPS receivers, and hybrid GPS and long
wave receivers for redundancy.
I've worn a GWM850-1, which is a Multi-Band 6 watch, for a long time and
it's served me well. Unfortunately, Casio doesn't make that specific
model anymore, but there's lots of other similar models available. Mine
tries to set itself every night starting at midnight and trying again
hourly until it either succeeds at setting the time or it fails after
4:00am. It also charges its internal battery from a solar panel formed
into the watch face, so one never (modulo the battery eventually
degrading) needs to change it. I've found that even with liberal use of
the EL backlight, the battery never gets below the "medium" level during
winter when the watch rarely sees the sun, and then fully charges up
again in springtime.
Cheers!
-Pete
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Dear Don and all,
no mentioning of the Seiko Astron GPS Solar?
73s
Achim DH2VA