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Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises

DC
David C. Partridge
Thu, Apr 14, 2016 9:45 AM

One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode,
ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this?

Dave

One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode, ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display. Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this? Dave
A
acbern@gmx.de
Thu, Apr 14, 2016 10:25 AM

guestimate, executes a cold start caused by low voltage.
so would check 5V for drops and ripple.
keep us posted on your findings

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 um 11:45 Uhr
Von: "David C. Partridge" david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk
An: "'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'" volt-nuts@febo.com, Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment@groups.io
Betreff: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises

One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode,
ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this?

Dave


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guestimate, executes a cold start caused by low voltage. so would check 5V for drops and ripple. keep us posted on your findings > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 um 11:45 Uhr > Von: "David C. Partridge" <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk> > An: "'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'" <volt-nuts@febo.com>, Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment@groups.io > Betreff: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises > > One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode, > ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this? > > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
DC
David C. Partridge
Thu, Apr 14, 2016 11:09 AM

That makes sense though +5V looked OK, I'll look a bit harder!

-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of acbern@gmx.de
Sent: 14 April 2016 11:26
To: volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises

guestimate, executes a cold start caused by low voltage.
so would check 5V for drops and ripple.
keep us posted on your findings

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 um 11:45 Uhr
Von: "David C. Partridge" david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk
An: "'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'"
volt-nuts@febo.com, Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment@groups.io
Betreff: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises

One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode,
ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this?

Dave


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That makes sense though +5V looked OK, I'll look a bit harder! -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of acbern@gmx.de Sent: 14 April 2016 11:26 To: volt-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises guestimate, executes a cold start caused by low voltage. so would check 5V for drops and ripple. keep us posted on your findings > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 um 11:45 Uhr > Von: "David C. Partridge" <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk> > An: "'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'" > <volt-nuts@febo.com>, Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment@groups.io > Betreff: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises > > One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode, > ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this? > > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
JL
J. L. Trantham
Thu, Apr 14, 2016 11:30 AM

David,

I have had a similar issue with mine but only on days when my stand-by generator turns on, takes the load for the house, then switches the load back to the street and shuts down.  There is clearly a brief 'power hit' when this occurs.  I've never tried to chase this down because it is relatively 'rare'.

There is a fairly 'complex' shut-down circuitry in the 7081 described in the service manual and I wonder if you have an issue there.

In any event, I suspect a 'power issue'.

Good luck.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:09 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises

That makes sense though +5V looked OK, I'll look a bit harder!

-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of acbern@gmx.de
Sent: 14 April 2016 11:26
To: volt-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises

guestimate, executes a cold start caused by low voltage.
so would check 5V for drops and ripple.
keep us posted on your findings

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 um 11:45 Uhr
Von: "David C. Partridge" david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk
An: "'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'"
volt-nuts@febo.com, Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment@groups.io
Betreff: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises

One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode,
ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this?

Dave


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David, I have had a similar issue with mine but only on days when my stand-by generator turns on, takes the load for the house, then switches the load back to the street and shuts down. There is clearly a brief 'power hit' when this occurs. I've never tried to chase this down because it is relatively 'rare'. There is a fairly 'complex' shut-down circuitry in the 7081 described in the service manual and I wonder if you have an issue there. In any event, I suspect a 'power issue'. Good luck. Joe -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:09 AM To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement' Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises That makes sense though +5V looked OK, I'll look a bit harder! -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of acbern@gmx.de Sent: 14 April 2016 11:26 To: volt-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises guestimate, executes a cold start caused by low voltage. so would check 5V for drops and ripple. keep us posted on your findings > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 um 11:45 Uhr > Von: "David C. Partridge" <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk> > An: "'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'" > <volt-nuts@febo.com>, Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment@groups.io > Betreff: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 randomly re-initialises > > One of my 7081s will occasionally re-start from running in TRACK mode, > ending up with the INITIALIZED message on the display. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this? > > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Poul-Henning Kamp
Thu, Apr 14, 2016 12:54 PM

In message 001501d19632$743ab230$5cb01690$@perdrix.co.uk, "David C. Partridge
" writes:

Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this?

EPROMs loosing bits is a good candidate.

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-------- In message <001501d19632$743ab230$5cb01690$@perdrix.co.uk>, "David C. Partridge " writes: >Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this? EPROMs loosing bits is a good candidate. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
CH
Chuck Harris
Thu, Apr 14, 2016 3:19 PM

What Poul-Henning is alluding to is an EPROM is a device where
data bits are stored in little buckets of charge.  How full a
bucket is determines whether it is a "1" or a "0".  How full the
bucket appears to be depends on the 5V supply going to the chip.

If the EPROM has leaked off much of the charge from the buckets,
small changes in the 5V supply can make the difference between
the EPROM reading the data correctly, and not.

Parts that display this problem can very often be fixed by
lowering the VCC supply to the EPROM when reading the part into
the programmer, erasing the chip, and then writing it in a normal
fashion.

-Chuck Harris

Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:


In message 001501d19632$743ab230$5cb01690$@perdrix.co.uk, "David C. Partridge
" writes:

Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this?

EPROMs loosing bits is a good candidate.

What Poul-Henning is alluding to is an EPROM is a device where data bits are stored in little buckets of charge. How full a bucket is determines whether it is a "1" or a "0". How full the bucket appears to be depends on the 5V supply going to the chip. If the EPROM has leaked off much of the charge from the buckets, small changes in the 5V supply can make the difference between the EPROM reading the data correctly, and not. Parts that display this problem can very often be fixed by lowering the VCC supply to the EPROM when reading the part into the programmer, erasing the chip, and then writing it in a normal fashion. -Chuck Harris Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > In message <001501d19632$743ab230$5cb01690$@perdrix.co.uk>, "David C. Partridge > " writes: > >> Does anyone have any thoughts as to likely faults that would cause this? > > EPROMs loosing bits is a good candidate. > >