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KA2WEU@aol.com
Sat, Oct 29, 2016 10:30 PM

On what topic ? older book miss the phase noise issue, most useful things
are in papers, look at the references

*   Ulrich L. Rohde, Ajay K. Poddar, Georg Böck  "The Design of Modern 

Microwave Oscillators for Wireless Applications ", John  Wiley & Sons, New
York, NY, May, 2005, ISBN  0-471-72342-8
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471723428) .
*  George Vendelin, Anthony M. Pavio, Ulrich L.  Rohde " Microwave
Circuit Design Using Linear and Nonlinear Techniques ", John  Wiley & Sons, New
York, NY, May, 2005, ISBN  0-471-41479-4
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471414794) .
*  Ulrich L. Rohde, Anisha M. Apte
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7506417/ Everything You Always Wanted to Know  About Colpitts Oscillators
[Applications Note]
*  Anisha M. Apte; Ajay K. Poddar; Ulrich L.  Rohde; Enrico Rubiola,
Colpitts oscillator: A new criterion of energy saving  for high performance
signal sources 2016 IEEE International Frequency Control  Symposium (IFCS)

Not because my name is  there but we tried to list ALL relevant literature,
also

https://www.amazon.com/Design-Crystal-Other-Harmonic-Oscillators/dp/04710881
96

is useful and look at

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/home.jsp  .

In the last 10 years Dr. Poddar and I have  done the most oscillator and
phase noise work..Look us up at Xplore

73 de Ulrich

In a message dated 10/29/2016 3:38:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com writes:

I found Frerking's "Crystal Oscillator Design and Temperature
Compensation" to be a fruitful read. It's free on the archive,
https://archive.org/details/CrystalOscillatorDesignTemperatureCompensation  .

Are there any recommendations for one or more book(s) that are definitely
worth skimming through, or reading?

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 3:12 PM, KA2WEU--- via  time-nuts
<time-nuts@febo.com (mailto:time-nuts@febo.com) > wrote:

Some  useful literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/https://en.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_noise)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/https://en.wikipedi
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator)

Some  links seem not to work ....  73 de  Ulrich


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On what topic ? older book miss the phase noise issue, most useful things are in papers, look at the references * Ulrich L. Rohde, Ajay K. Poddar, Georg Böck "The Design of Modern Microwave Oscillators for Wireless Applications ", John Wiley & Sons, New York, NY, May, 2005, _ISBN 0-471-72342-8_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471723428) . * George Vendelin, Anthony M. Pavio, Ulrich L. Rohde " Microwave Circuit Design Using Linear and Nonlinear Techniques ", John Wiley & Sons, New York, NY, May, 2005, _ISBN 0-471-41479-4_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471414794) . * Ulrich L. Rohde, Anisha M. Apte http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7506417/ Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Colpitts Oscillators [Applications Note] * Anisha M. Apte; Ajay K. Poddar; Ulrich L. Rohde; Enrico Rubiola, Colpitts oscillator: A new criterion of energy saving for high performance signal sources 2016 IEEE International Frequency Control Symposium (IFCS) Not because my name is there but we tried to list ALL relevant literature, also https://www.amazon.com/Design-Crystal-Other-Harmonic-Oscillators/dp/04710881 96 is useful and look at http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/home.jsp . In the last 10 years Dr. Poddar and I have done the most oscillator and phase noise work..Look us up at Xplore 73 de Ulrich In a message dated 10/29/2016 3:38:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com writes: I found Frerking's "Crystal Oscillator Design and Temperature Compensation" to be a fruitful read. It's free on the archive, https://archive.org/details/CrystalOscillatorDesignTemperatureCompensation . Are there any recommendations for one or more book(s) that are definitely worth skimming through, or reading? On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 3:12 PM, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts <_time-nuts@febo.com_ (mailto:time-nuts@febo.com) > wrote: Some useful literature _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/https://en._ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_noise) _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/https://en.wikipedi_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator) Some links seem not to work .... 73 de Ulrich _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- _time-nuts@febo.com_ (mailto:time-nuts@febo.com) To unsubscribe, go to _https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-b_ (https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts) and follow the instructions there.
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Scott Stobbe
Sun, Oct 30, 2016 7:27 PM

So, the elephant is in the room, how majestic. Thanks for taking the time
to list some sample books/papers. A lot of general communications
systems/RFIC books certainly acknowledge phase noise and the results
because of its presence, but I don't know how many have an in depth
discussion of ways to tame the beast, so to speak. It sounds as if
improving phase noise has a large focus of many of your published works, I
will take a look :). Ultimately for board level design, phase noise tends
to be purchased versus designed.

Its difficult to appreciate just how much effort goes into a OCXO/TXCO
without having a go at it yourself. It's one thing to to build an
oscillator with 2n3904, I can only speculate just how much goes it into
getting to -120 dBc/Hz and below at a 1Hz offset on a 10 MHz oscillator.

If I recall correctly in Frerking text, there is somewhere between a
paragraph to a page or two, warning that existing small-signal circuit
theory (linearized about an operating point) doesn't actually apply here,
and with a bit of hand waving says have faith it still sort of works.

Does your text provide a good discussion of the implications of operating
with large signals?

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:30 PM, KA2WEU@aol.com wrote:

On what topic ? older book miss the phase noise issue, most useful things
are in papers, look at the references

- Ulrich L. Rohde, Ajay K. Poddar, Georg Böck "The Design of Modern
Microwave Oscillators for Wireless Applications ", John Wiley & Sons, New
York, NY, May, 2005, ISBN 0-471-72342-8
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471723428>.
- George Vendelin, Anthony M. Pavio, Ulrich L. Rohde " Microwave
Circuit Design Using Linear and Nonlinear Techniques ", John Wiley & Sons,
New York, NY, May, 2005, ISBN 0-471-41479-4
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471414794>.
- Ulrich L. Rohde, Anisha M. Apte http://ieeexplore.ieee.
org/document/7506417/ Everything You Always Wanted to Know About
Colpitts Oscillators [Applications Note]
- Anisha M. Apte; Ajay K. Poddar; Ulrich L. Rohde; Enrico Rubiola,
Colpitts oscillator: A new criterion of energy saving for high performance
signal sources 2016 IEEE International Frequency Control Symposium (IFCS)

Not because my name is there but we tried to list ALL relevant literature,
also

https://www.amazon.com/Design-Crystal-Other-Harmonic-
Oscillators/dp/0471088196

is useful and look at

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/home.jsp  .

In the last 10 years Dr. Poddar and I have done the most oscillator and
phase noise work..Look us up at Xplore

73 de Ulrich

In a message dated 10/29/2016 3:38:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com writes:

I found Frerking's "Crystal Oscillator Design and Temperature
Compensation" to be a fruitful read. It's free on the archive,
https://archive.org/details/CrystalOscillatorDesignTemperatureCompensation
.

Are there any recommendations for one or more book(s) that are definitely
worth skimming through, or reading?

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 3:12 PM, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts <
time-nuts@febo.com> wrote:

Some useful literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_noise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator

Some links seem not to work ....  73 de Ulrich


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So, the elephant *is* in the room, how majestic. Thanks for taking the time to list some sample books/papers. A lot of general communications systems/RFIC books certainly acknowledge phase noise and the results because of its presence, but I don't know how many have an in depth discussion of ways to tame the beast, so to speak. It sounds as if improving phase noise has a large focus of many of your published works, I will take a look :). Ultimately for board level design, phase noise tends to be purchased versus designed. Its difficult to appreciate just how much effort goes into a OCXO/TXCO without having a go at it yourself. It's one thing to to build an oscillator with 2n3904, I can only speculate just how much goes it into getting to -120 dBc/Hz and below at a 1Hz offset on a 10 MHz oscillator. If I recall correctly in Frerking text, there is somewhere between a paragraph to a page or two, warning that existing small-signal circuit theory (linearized about an operating point) doesn't actually apply here, and with a bit of hand waving says have faith it still sort of works. Does your text provide a good discussion of the implications of operating with large signals? On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:30 PM, <KA2WEU@aol.com> wrote: > On what topic ? older book miss the phase noise issue, most useful things > are in papers, look at the references > > > - Ulrich L. Rohde, Ajay K. Poddar, Georg Böck "The Design of Modern > Microwave Oscillators for Wireless Applications ", John Wiley & Sons, New > York, NY, May, 2005, ISBN 0-471-72342-8 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471723428>. > - George Vendelin, Anthony M. Pavio, Ulrich L. Rohde " Microwave > Circuit Design Using Linear and Nonlinear Techniques ", John Wiley & Sons, > New York, NY, May, 2005, ISBN 0-471-41479-4 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0471414794>. > - Ulrich L. Rohde, Anisha M. Apte http://ieeexplore.ieee. > org/document/7506417/ Everything You Always Wanted to Know About > Colpitts Oscillators [Applications Note] > - Anisha M. Apte; Ajay K. Poddar; Ulrich L. Rohde; Enrico Rubiola, > Colpitts oscillator: A new criterion of energy saving for high performance > signal sources 2016 IEEE International Frequency Control Symposium (IFCS) > > > Not because my name is there but we tried to list ALL relevant literature, > also > > https://www.amazon.com/Design-Crystal-Other-Harmonic- > Oscillators/dp/0471088196 > > is useful and look at > > http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/home.jsp . > > In the last 10 years Dr. Poddar and I have done the most oscillator and > phase noise work..Look us up at Xplore > > 73 de Ulrich > > In a message dated 10/29/2016 3:38:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com writes: > > I found Frerking's "Crystal Oscillator Design and Temperature > Compensation" to be a fruitful read. It's free on the archive, > https://archive.org/details/CrystalOscillatorDesignTemperatureCompensation > . > > Are there any recommendations for one or more book(s) that are definitely > worth skimming through, or reading? > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 3:12 PM, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts < > time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > >> Some useful literature >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_noise >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator >> >> Some links seem not to work .... 73 de Ulrich >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m >> ailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > >