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Solartron 7081

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Rick Bale
Wed, Apr 8, 2020 12:44 PM

All,

Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up with all the LED
staying lit.  Joe Trantham has been kind enough to check the programming of
my current five 2564 ROM's and the programming looks complete as compared
to David Partridge's bin files.  So we don't have a lot of confidence that
changing out the ROM's with new ones will fix the booting problem.  Before
Joe ships the ROM's back to me we thought we ask the group more about the
ROM's used in with the different S/N

My IC803 is a Fujitsu MBM2764-30 ROM which corresponds to the later serial
number of my unit, S/N 001159.  The product status chart on the back of the
meter shows 1 through 12 crossed off.  13-24 is not crossed of on the
chart.

When I received the unit off ebay I found that 3 of the RAM chips were in
backwards and all the ROM's IC412-415, IC430 were in the wrong sockets,
albeit oriented correctly.  Joe suggested maybe somebody harvested the
original 2764 ROM's and threw back in some 2564's from an earlier unit.
The reason for suspecting this is because my 2564's are labelled CC which
indicates an early firmware version.  Possibly earlier than my serial
number.  Joe's own 7081, S/N 000660, has five 2764's marked DC firmware.

Is it possible my S/N 001159 should have has 2764 ROM's on the Earthy
Processor board? Does anyone know how to correspond the S/N ranges with the
original ROM's that were used?  When did the change over to 2764's take
place?  I would imagine that due to the different pin outs between 2564 and
2764's that the board has to be slightly different.  But the schematics
don't show how they accommodated the differences and is showing only the
five 2564 on the Earthy Processor board.  The parts list does show an
asterisk stating that later S/N used 2764 ROM's on the Floating Logic board
which mine does have a single 2764 in that socket.  The schematic shows
split pads were used to rewire different RAM chips, but I don't see any
indication where split pads are being used for the two different ROM's
types.

Thanks

Rick

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 09:29:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081
Rick,

The older programmers, generally, require a Parallel Port.  Parallel

Ports

seem to have vanished though I have a Win7 machine with one.  Haven't

tried

to use any of the older software with it though.

I have several older machines with WinXP and these almost all came with a
Parallel Port.  And, you could add additional Parallel Ports with PCI
cards.
I have three programmers connected to one of my computers.

My favorite computer for this is the Dell Latitude D610 which I think was
the last Dell Laptop with a Parallel Port.  Also has USB and Serial.

These

seem to be relatively cheap on theBay.  Depending on the 'total cost',
might
be worthwhile to get an older computer with WinXP and an older programmer
rather than the usual several hundred dollars for a newer USB programmer.

I just looked at my 7081's and (re)discovered that they both have their
'Calibration Seals' in place when calibrated by Ametek (formerly

Solartron)

several years ago.  I would like to avoid opening them if possible.  I'll
chase down the EPROM files referenced earlier in the thread to be able to
compare your chips with.  If your chips are bad (can't be read or
programmed), I'll use those files to program your new chips.

I went looking for my stash of EPROM's but, so far, I can't find it.  I
don't remember if I have those chips or not.  I did find some TMS2516's

so

maybe I do have the chips if I can find the 'mother lode'.  Hopefully,

you

can get the chips.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of
David
C. Partridge
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081

If you have the pocket depth then I would suggest a Galep-5 (made by
Conitec) EPROM programmer.

I have its baby brother (Galep-4) but that needs a parallel port.

It's a USB device and will handle the older stuff like 2564s quite

happily

and also the new serial EEPROMs

David

All, Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up with all the LED staying lit. Joe Trantham has been kind enough to check the programming of my current five 2564 ROM's and the programming looks complete as compared to David Partridge's bin files. So we don't have a lot of confidence that changing out the ROM's with new ones will fix the booting problem. Before Joe ships the ROM's back to me we thought we ask the group more about the ROM's used in with the different S/N My IC803 is a Fujitsu MBM2764-30 ROM which corresponds to the later serial number of my unit, S/N 001159. The product status chart on the back of the meter shows 1 through 12 crossed off. 13-24 is not crossed of on the chart. When I received the unit off ebay I found that 3 of the RAM chips were in backwards and all the ROM's IC412-415, IC430 were in the wrong sockets, albeit oriented correctly. Joe suggested maybe somebody harvested the original 2764 ROM's and threw back in some 2564's from an earlier unit. The reason for suspecting this is because my 2564's are labelled CC which indicates an early firmware version. Possibly earlier than my serial number. Joe's own 7081, S/N 000660, has five 2764's marked DC firmware. Is it possible my S/N 001159 should have has 2764 ROM's on the Earthy Processor board? Does anyone know how to correspond the S/N ranges with the original ROM's that were used? When did the change over to 2764's take place? I would imagine that due to the different pin outs between 2564 and 2764's that the board has to be slightly different. But the schematics don't show how they accommodated the differences and is showing only the five 2564 on the Earthy Processor board. The parts list does show an asterisk stating that later S/N used 2764 ROM's on the Floating Logic board which mine does have a single 2764 in that socket. The schematic shows split pads were used to rewire different RAM chips, but I don't see any indication where split pads are being used for the two different ROM's types. Thanks Rick > > > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 09:29:33 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 > > Rick, > > > > The older programmers, generally, require a Parallel Port. Parallel > Ports > > seem to have vanished though I have a Win7 machine with one. Haven't > tried > > to use any of the older software with it though. > > > > I have several older machines with WinXP and these almost all came with a > > Parallel Port. And, you could add additional Parallel Ports with PCI > > cards. > > I have three programmers connected to one of my computers. > > > > My favorite computer for this is the Dell Latitude D610 which I think was > > the last Dell Laptop with a Parallel Port. Also has USB and Serial. > These > > seem to be relatively cheap on theBay. Depending on the 'total cost', > > might > > be worthwhile to get an older computer with WinXP and an older programmer > > rather than the usual several hundred dollars for a newer USB programmer. > > > > I just looked at my 7081's and (re)discovered that they both have their > > 'Calibration Seals' in place when calibrated by Ametek (formerly > Solartron) > > several years ago. I would like to avoid opening them if possible. I'll > > chase down the EPROM files referenced earlier in the thread to be able to > > compare your chips with. If your chips are bad (can't be read or > > programmed), I'll use those files to program your new chips. > > > > I went looking for my stash of EPROM's but, so far, I can't find it. I > > don't remember if I have those chips or not. I did find some TMS2516's > so > > maybe I do have the chips if I can find the 'mother lode'. Hopefully, > you > > can get the chips. > > > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of > > David > > C. Partridge > > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:45 AM > > To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement' > > Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 > > > > If you have the pocket depth then I would suggest a Galep-5 (made by > > Conitec) EPROM programmer. > > > > I have its baby brother (Galep-4) but that needs a parallel port. > > > > It's a USB device and will handle the older stuff like 2564s quite > happily > > and also the new serial EEPROMs > > > > David > > > > > >
DC
David C. Partridge
Wed, Apr 8, 2020 1:17 PM

There is a downloadable high quality scan of the Service Manual which I
produced a while ago, that you can download from here:

<https://groups.io/g/Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment/files/Solartron%207071
%20and%207081>

It has the schematics for both the early (7504) and late (7514) earthy
processor boards, and contains numerous corrections to the text and parts
lists.  The schematics have been cleaned up and corrected where necessary.

You can tell which ROMS the earthy processor uses based on the board number:
Board 70817504 uses 2564s while 70817514 uses 2764s.

If you use the wrong ROMs - it won't work!

The Test Spec document is also of interest.

Keep well
D

-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Bale
Sent: 08 April 2020 13:45
To: volt-nuts@lists.febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081

All,

Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up

There is a downloadable high quality scan of the Service Manual which I produced a while ago, that you can download from here: <https://groups.io/g/Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment/files/Solartron%207071 %20and%207081> It has the schematics for both the early (7504) and late (7514) earthy processor boards, and contains numerous corrections to the text and parts lists. The schematics have been cleaned up and corrected where necessary. You can tell which ROMS the earthy processor uses based on the board number: Board 70817504 uses 2564s while 70817514 uses 2764s. If you use the wrong ROMs - it won't work! The Test Spec document is also of interest. Keep well D -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bale Sent: 08 April 2020 13:45 To: volt-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 All, Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up
DC
David C. Partridge
Wed, Apr 8, 2020 1:29 PM

Grrr why was my link split across two lines - it was sent as one line ...

Be warned you'll need to re-constitute the link ...

David

-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of David
C. Partridge
Sent: 08 April 2020 14:18
To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement'
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081

There is a downloadable high quality scan of the Service Manual which I
produced a while ago, that you can download from here:

<https://groups.io/g/Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment/files/Solartron%207071
%20and%207081>

It has the schematics for both the early (7504) and late (7514) earthy
processor boards, and contains numerous corrections to the text and parts
lists.  The schematics have been cleaned up and corrected where necessary.

You can tell which ROMS the earthy processor uses based on the board number:
Board 70817504 uses 2564s while 70817514 uses 2764s.

If you use the wrong ROMs - it won't work!

The Test Spec document is also of interest.

Keep well
D

-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Bale
Sent: 08 April 2020 13:45
To: volt-nuts@lists.febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081

All,

Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up


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Grrr why was my link split across two lines - it was sent as one line ... Be warned you'll need to re-constitute the link ... David -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge Sent: 08 April 2020 14:18 To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement' Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 There is a downloadable high quality scan of the Service Manual which I produced a while ago, that you can download from here: <https://groups.io/g/Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment/files/Solartron%207071 %20and%207081> It has the schematics for both the early (7504) and late (7514) earthy processor boards, and contains numerous corrections to the text and parts lists. The schematics have been cleaned up and corrected where necessary. You can tell which ROMS the earthy processor uses based on the board number: Board 70817504 uses 2564s while 70817514 uses 2764s. If you use the wrong ROMs - it won't work! The Test Spec document is also of interest. Keep well D -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bale Sent: 08 April 2020 13:45 To: volt-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 All, Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
SM
Shaun Merrigan
Wed, Apr 8, 2020 1:33 PM

Rick,

I have two 7081’s with the relevant configuration as follows:

S\N 1395  with board 70817514 and 2764 ROMS
S\N 415 with board 70817504 and 2564 ROMS

I can also confirm that swapping ROMS between the board revisions does not work.

Hope this helps.

Shaun Merrigan
https://www.shaunmerrigan.info


From: volt-nuts volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com on behalf of David C. Partridge david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:17:52 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement' volt-nuts@lists.febo.com
Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081

There is a downloadable high quality scan of the Service Manual which I
produced a while ago, that you can download from here:

<https://groups.io/g/Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment/files/Solartron%207071
%20and%207081>

It has the schematics for both the early (7504) and late (7514) earthy
processor boards, and contains numerous corrections to the text and parts
lists.  The schematics have been cleaned up and corrected where necessary.

You can tell which ROMS the earthy processor uses based on the board number:
Board 70817504 uses 2564s while 70817514 uses 2764s.

If you use the wrong ROMs - it won't work!

The Test Spec document is also of interest.

Keep well
D

-----Original Message-----
From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Bale
Sent: 08 April 2020 13:45
To: volt-nuts@lists.febo.com
Subject: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081

All,

Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up


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Rick, I have two 7081’s with the relevant configuration as follows: S\N 1395 with board 70817514 and 2764 ROMS S\N 415 with board 70817504 and 2564 ROMS I can also confirm that swapping ROMS between the board revisions does not work. Hope this helps. Shaun Merrigan https://www.shaunmerrigan.info ________________________________ From: volt-nuts <volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com> on behalf of David C. Partridge <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:17:52 AM To: 'Discussion of precise voltage measurement' <volt-nuts@lists.febo.com> Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 There is a downloadable high quality scan of the Service Manual which I produced a while ago, that you can download from here: <https://groups.io/g/Solartron_Schlumberger_Equipment/files/Solartron%207071 %20and%207081> It has the schematics for both the early (7504) and late (7514) earthy processor boards, and contains numerous corrections to the text and parts lists. The schematics have been cleaned up and corrected where necessary. You can tell which ROMS the earthy processor uses based on the board number: Board 70817504 uses 2564s while 70817514 uses 2764s. If you use the wrong ROMs - it won't work! The Test Spec document is also of interest. Keep well D -----Original Message----- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bale Sent: 08 April 2020 13:45 To: volt-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [volt-nuts] Solartron 7081 All, Here's an update on my 7081 that hangs during boot up _______________________________________________ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.