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Attila Kinali
Tue, Oct 18, 2016 9:11 AM

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:44:55 +0200
Attila Kinali attila@kinali.ch wrote:

  1. Rb vapor standards have very low acceleration effects. As Dave
    said, the control loop will kill most of the effects inside the
    loop frequency. The loop frequency is relatively fast, in the
    order of couple of 100Hz to a couple of 10kHz, depending on the
    exact build of the Rb standard and what type of crystal they used.
    Contrary to what he says, there are no acceleration dependent
    diffusion effects. The vapor cell is is heated and the gas atoms
    in there are pretty fast, any acceleration of them will be negligible
    compared to what they do upon collision. The relativistic red shift due
    to acceleration is way too low to measure (much lower than the intrinsic
    noise). The only mechanical effect that is possible, is bending of
    the microwave cavity or the parts inside. But given that the cavity
    is several mm thick aluminium and everything is mounted rigidly,
    I very much doubt that there is any significant effect.

Correction: I just had a look at the LPRFS specs. It lists a 2g tip-over
sensitivity of 2*10^-10/g on the worst axis. I have no idea what's going
on there. No other of the Rb vapor standards of which I have the spec
at hand list any acceleration sensitivity.

		Attila Kinali

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:44:55 +0200 Attila Kinali <attila@kinali.ch> wrote: > 3) Rb vapor standards have very low acceleration effects. As Dave > said, the control loop will kill most of the effects inside the > loop frequency. The loop frequency is relatively fast, in the > order of couple of 100Hz to a couple of 10kHz, depending on the > exact build of the Rb standard and what type of crystal they used. > Contrary to what he says, there are no acceleration dependent > diffusion effects. The vapor cell is is heated and the gas atoms > in there are pretty fast, any acceleration of them will be negligible > compared to what they do upon collision. The relativistic red shift due > to acceleration is way too low to measure (much lower than the intrinsic > noise). The only mechanical effect that is possible, is bending of > the microwave cavity or the parts inside. But given that the cavity > is several mm thick aluminium and everything is mounted rigidly, > I very much doubt that there is any significant effect. Correction: I just had a look at the LPRFS specs. It lists a 2g tip-over sensitivity of 2*10^-10/g on the worst axis. I have no idea what's going on there. No other of the Rb vapor standards of which I have the spec at hand list any acceleration sensitivity. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson