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HP 1820-0313 4.2V Logic (Flip-flop)

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Ulf Kylenfall
Tue, May 16, 2017 8:33 PM

Starting to trouble-shoot some of the 5065A circuitryI saw that the (mechanical) clock drive flipflop IC1of the digital divider ass:y A16 is behaving very strange.
All of the voltage regulator circuitry in this ass:y is working,providing 4.2V and so on, but IC1 and the two transistorsQ11 and Q12 exhibits a strange behavior.
When IC1 is driven by a 1PPS squarewave of 0...4.2Vthe outputs of the transistors goes from either 0...4.2VOR 4.2...13V OR 0...13V in a random pattern.I can see this also at the bases of the transistors.The 13.3V is stable
That the 1820-0313 is unobtanium I can understand.Has anyone created an equvalent based on discretesor is there a suitable SMD "single" flip-flop like single gatesthat could be suitable?
(Just want to know if I should scrap the Option 01 and 03alltogether)
UlfSM6GXV

Starting to trouble-shoot some of the 5065A circuitryI saw that the (mechanical) clock drive flipflop IC1of the digital divider ass:y A16 is behaving very strange. All of the voltage regulator circuitry in this ass:y is working,providing 4.2V and so on, but IC1 and the two transistorsQ11 and Q12 exhibits a strange behavior. When IC1 is driven by a 1PPS squarewave of 0...4.2Vthe outputs of the transistors goes from either 0...4.2VOR 4.2...13V OR 0...13V in a random pattern.I can see this also at the bases of the transistors.The 13.3V is stable That the 1820-0313 is unobtanium I can understand.Has anyone created an equvalent based on discretesor is there a suitable SMD "single" flip-flop like single gatesthat could be suitable? (Just want to know if I should scrap the Option 01 and 03alltogether) UlfSM6GXV
BK
Bob kb8tq
Tue, May 16, 2017 10:12 PM

Hi

If you approach this as “restoring a classic car”, then you repair the beast. From a practical standpoint, looking at the
schematic and what’s in the divider setup ….. it looks like a < $2 PIC  or ($3 STM32 board ) would replace almost
everything there. That’s not quite accurate, but it’s pretty close. Getting it all to work would take a bit of effort. On the
other hand somebody may have a great big pile of modules running around. Replacement may be cheaper / easier than you think.

Bob

On May 16, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

Starting to trouble-shoot some of the 5065A circuitryI saw that the (mechanical) clock drive flipflop IC1of the digital divider ass:y A16 is behaving very strange.
All of the voltage regulator circuitry in this ass:y is working,providing 4.2V and so on, but IC1 and the two transistorsQ11 and Q12 exhibits a strange behavior.
When IC1 is driven by a 1PPS squarewave of 0...4.2Vthe outputs of the transistors goes from either 0...4.2VOR 4.2...13V OR 0...13V in a random pattern.I can see this also at the bases of the transistors.The 13.3V is stable
That the 1820-0313 is unobtanium I can understand.Has anyone created an equvalent based on discretesor is there a suitable SMD "single" flip-flop like single gatesthat could be suitable?
(Just want to know if I should scrap the Option 01 and 03alltogether)
UlfSM6GXV


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Hi If you approach this as “restoring a classic car”, then you repair the beast. From a practical standpoint, looking at the schematic and what’s in the divider setup ….. it looks like a < $2 PIC or ($3 STM32 board ) would replace almost everything there. That’s not quite accurate, but it’s pretty close. Getting it all to work would take a bit of effort. On the other hand somebody may have a great big pile of modules running around. Replacement may be cheaper / easier than you think. Bob > On May 16, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > > > Starting to trouble-shoot some of the 5065A circuitryI saw that the (mechanical) clock drive flipflop IC1of the digital divider ass:y A16 is behaving very strange. > All of the voltage regulator circuitry in this ass:y is working,providing 4.2V and so on, but IC1 and the two transistorsQ11 and Q12 exhibits a strange behavior. > When IC1 is driven by a 1PPS squarewave of 0...4.2Vthe outputs of the transistors goes from either 0...4.2VOR 4.2...13V OR 0...13V in a random pattern.I can see this also at the bases of the transistors.The 13.3V is stable > That the 1820-0313 is unobtanium I can understand.Has anyone created an equvalent based on discretesor is there a suitable SMD "single" flip-flop like single gatesthat could be suitable? > (Just want to know if I should scrap the Option 01 and 03alltogether) > UlfSM6GXV > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Poul-Henning Kamp
Tue, May 16, 2017 10:27 PM

In message 1580810140.741428.1494966823210@mail.yahoo.com, Ulf Kylenfall via time-nut
s writes:

That the 1820-0313 is unobtanium I can understand.Has anyone created
an equvalent based on discretesor is there a suitable SMD "single"
flip-flop like single gatesthat could be suitable?

I did a divider board for the LED clock:

http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/20160112_working_clock/index.html

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-------- In message <1580810140.741428.1494966823210@mail.yahoo.com>, Ulf Kylenfall via time-nut s writes: >That the 1820-0313 is unobtanium I can understand.Has anyone created >an equvalent based on discretesor is there a suitable SMD "single" >flip-flop like single gatesthat could be suitable? I did a divider board for the LED clock: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/20160112_working_clock/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.