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Keithley 2182A

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Russ Ramirez
Sun, Jun 26, 2016 9:03 PM

Thanks. I did not realize that the CPLD was for ADC control until I re-read
Illya's article again, and I then realized with the parts complement
present that the "ADC" must be an integrating type. Next time I crack it
open, I'll have more to check.

Russ

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Todd Micallef tmicallef@gmail.com wrote:

The repair was performed last November and my memory is bad, too many
projects since then. The two defective parts were the TF-245 and U626.

My symptoms were noisy readings across all ranges. I could not get them to
settle down even with the input shorted. I measured the TF-245 in-circuit
to see if anything was too far out to be in spec. I was certain that the
30K resistor between 5-11 was open, so I removed it and measured. There was
also another open 90K resistor between 7-8.

I also had to trace an input signal through the meter and it led to the
resistor array. I will try and find the actual in-circuit measurements
before the part was replaced.

I

Todd

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Russ Ramirez russ.ramirez@gmail.com
wrote:

Looking forward to your notes Todd. A bit more info on the repair.

DCV1 is OK except for the 10 V range. A test voltage input of 100 mV
appears on the input side of Q665 fine, but not on the output side in the
10 V range, however a DMM measurement is solid in the other applicable
ranges. So this issue does seem to be completely isolated to the 10 V
range.

DCV2 input is fine through the path to the ADC (TP652) in all ranges, but
the unit is not making a stable measurement. For example, a 9 V input

reads

between 8.8 V and 9.2 V on the 10 V scale. The same 9 V input to DCV1

also

looks good up to TP652, on the 100 V range since 10 v is out it, and it
reads a stable 9.002 V at that TP. Without a schematic, it will take some
time to determine what is different after the TP652 point - maybe there

are

in fact 2 ADCs, but it's not obvious either way.

Russ

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Todd Micallef tmicallef@gmail.com
wrote:

I have to review my notes, but I know of the two bad parts that were
found, one was the TF-245. I happened to have a spare on hand. I will

look

through any notes to get the other part number.

Todd

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 26, 2016, at 10:09, Russ Ramirez russ.ramirez@gmail.com

wrote:

Thanks Illya - very nice piece of work!

Russ

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Illya Tsemenko illya@xdevs.com

wrote:

If you looking into repair or internals detail of 2182, this draft

article

may help: https://xdevs.com/fix/kei2182/
Keithley stopped releasing schematics and detailed information since
xxxx-series instruments due to IP issues.

26/06/16 18:08, Brian Smith пишет:

Hello Russ

It appears that there are neither a service manual nor a schematic
available anywhere.

My educated guess is that this is because the 2182A is a current

model

instrument. The newest production model keithley gear does not have
associated service manuals nor schematics published. These appear

to

be

treated as trade secrets.

You can have your 2182A serviced by Keithley if it is in need of

repair.

I had my model 2000 DMM that I bought from eBay serviced by

Keihtley

for

$560. They replaced the motherboard bringing the DMM up to brand

new

condition. I asked for and received the calibration data with the

returned

instrument.

best regards,

Brian

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Russ Ramirez <

wrote:

The service manual, or a schematic. I asked just in case someone

had

one

from an original purchase. I also asked a friend who worked for

Keithley,

but apparently no one he knew had one either. Hard to find.

Russ
On Jun 24, 2016 6:26 PM, "Brian Smith" <briansmith23456@gmail.com

wrote:

What document do you need? Keithley publishes most needed docs.

On Jun 24, 2016 12:59 PM, "Russ Ramirez" <russ.ramirez@gmail.com

wrote:

Just wondering if any of you might have a PDF of the subject

Nanovoltmeter?

TIA

Russ


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Thanks. I did not realize that the CPLD was for ADC control until I re-read Illya's article again, and I then realized with the parts complement present that the "ADC" must be an integrating type. Next time I crack it open, I'll have more to check. Russ On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Todd Micallef <tmicallef@gmail.com> wrote: > The repair was performed last November and my memory is bad, too many > projects since then. The two defective parts were the TF-245 and U626. > > My symptoms were noisy readings across all ranges. I could not get them to > settle down even with the input shorted. I measured the TF-245 in-circuit > to see if anything was too far out to be in spec. I was certain that the > 30K resistor between 5-11 was open, so I removed it and measured. There was > also another open 90K resistor between 7-8. > > I also had to trace an input signal through the meter and it led to the > resistor array. I will try and find the actual in-circuit measurements > before the part was replaced. > > I > > > Todd > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Russ Ramirez <russ.ramirez@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Looking forward to your notes Todd. A bit more info on the repair. > > > > DCV1 is OK except for the 10 V range. A test voltage input of 100 mV > > appears on the input side of Q665 fine, but not on the output side in the > > 10 V range, however a DMM measurement is solid in the other applicable > > ranges. So this issue does seem to be completely isolated to the 10 V > > range. > > > > DCV2 input is fine through the path to the ADC (TP652) in all ranges, but > > the unit is not making a stable measurement. For example, a 9 V input > reads > > between 8.8 V and 9.2 V on the 10 V scale. The same 9 V input to DCV1 > also > > looks good up to TP652, on the 100 V range since 10 v is out it, and it > > reads a stable 9.002 V at that TP. Without a schematic, it will take some > > time to determine what is different after the TP652 point - maybe there > are > > in fact 2 ADCs, but it's not obvious either way. > > > > Russ > > > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Todd Micallef <tmicallef@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I have to review my notes, but I know of the two bad parts that were > > > found, one was the TF-245. I happened to have a spare on hand. I will > > look > > > through any notes to get the other part number. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2016, at 10:09, Russ Ramirez <russ.ramirez@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Illya - very nice piece of work! > > > > > > > > Russ > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Illya Tsemenko <illya@xdevs.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> If you looking into repair or internals detail of 2182, this draft > > > article > > > >> may help: https://xdevs.com/fix/kei2182/ > > > >> Keithley stopped releasing schematics and detailed information since > > > >> xxxx-series instruments due to IP issues. > > > >> > > > >> 26/06/16 18:08, Brian Smith пишет: > > > >> > > > >> Hello Russ > > > >>> > > > >>> It appears that there are neither a service manual nor a schematic > > > >>> available anywhere. > > > >>> > > > >>> My educated guess is that this is because the 2182A is a current > > model > > > >>> instrument. The newest production model keithley gear does not have > > > >>> associated service manuals nor schematics published. These appear > to > > be > > > >>> treated as trade secrets. > > > >>> > > > >>> You can have your 2182A serviced by Keithley if it is in need of > > > repair. > > > >>> > > > >>> I had my model 2000 DMM that I bought from eBay serviced by > Keihtley > > > for > > > >>> $560. They replaced the motherboard bringing the DMM up to brand > new > > > >>> condition. I asked for and received the calibration data with the > > > returned > > > >>> instrument. > > > >>> > > > >>> best regards, > > > >>> > > > >>> Brian > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Russ Ramirez < > > russ.ramirez@gmail.com > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> The service manual, or a schematic. I asked just in case someone > had > > > one > > > >>>> from an original purchase. I also asked a friend who worked for > > > Keithley, > > > >>>> but apparently no one he knew had one either. Hard to find. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Russ > > > >>>> On Jun 24, 2016 6:26 PM, "Brian Smith" <briansmith23456@gmail.com > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> What document do you need? Keithley publishes most needed docs. > > > >>>>> On Jun 24, 2016 12:59 PM, "Russ Ramirez" <russ.ramirez@gmail.com > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Just wondering if any of you might have a PDF of the subject > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> Nanovoltmeter? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> TIA > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Russ > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >>>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > > >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > > >>>>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > > >>>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > > >>> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > > >>> and follow the instructions there. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > > >> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > > >> and follow the instructions there. > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >