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Morris Odell
Fri, Mar 17, 2017 11:41 PM

HI all,

Thanks to all those who responded to my post and also for the great pics of
other tuning forks. It's amazing that they were still being used for
electronic purposes as recently as the 1960s. Actually now that I think
about it I have seen little tuning forks used to check the function of
modern police speed radars so they still have some use. Musicians don't use
them any more - guitar players will know the little electronic tuning
devices clipped to the  neck of the instrument that displays the frequency
or key of each string. Doctors still use 125 Hz forks to test vibration
sense and higher frequency ones to test for conductive hearing loss.

In answer to some of the questions posted: no there was no documentation
with the unit. The most useful thing was the "12 volts in" label on the
power socket so I knew where to start. The rest of it was necktop analysis.
The fork is maintained by means of a central electromagnet and small leaf
spring contacts on the tines - they also provide the 25 Hz power for the
motor which runs at 12 volts. Of course they would reduce the Q of the fork
a little and affect its resonance but I'm sure that was taken into  account
by the designer and the frequency & symmetry can be adjusted with the
weights on the ends. Operating current is about 0.5A at 12 volts when
running and 1A when the fork is not vibrating. There's a switch marked "Neon
Lamp" that controls the AC supply to a pair of clips between the tines of
the fork. They are about 3-4 inches apart and I have no idea what sort of
long thin tubular lamp would fit between them. Just for fun I'm going to
make a simple stroboscope with a 555 timer and some high intensity white
LEDs I have lying around to see if I can use it on the fork.

Cheers,

Morris

HI all, Thanks to all those who responded to my post and also for the great pics of other tuning forks. It's amazing that they were still being used for electronic purposes as recently as the 1960s. Actually now that I think about it I have seen little tuning forks used to check the function of modern police speed radars so they still have some use. Musicians don't use them any more - guitar players will know the little electronic tuning devices clipped to the neck of the instrument that displays the frequency or key of each string. Doctors still use 125 Hz forks to test vibration sense and higher frequency ones to test for conductive hearing loss. In answer to some of the questions posted: no there was no documentation with the unit. The most useful thing was the "12 volts in" label on the power socket so I knew where to start. The rest of it was necktop analysis. The fork is maintained by means of a central electromagnet and small leaf spring contacts on the tines - they also provide the 25 Hz power for the motor which runs at 12 volts. Of course they would reduce the Q of the fork a little and affect its resonance but I'm sure that was taken into account by the designer and the frequency & symmetry can be adjusted with the weights on the ends. Operating current is about 0.5A at 12 volts when running and 1A when the fork is not vibrating. There's a switch marked "Neon Lamp" that controls the AC supply to a pair of clips between the tines of the fork. They are about 3-4 inches apart and I have no idea what sort of long thin tubular lamp would fit between them. Just for fun I'm going to make a simple stroboscope with a 555 timer and some high intensity white LEDs I have lying around to see if I can use it on the fork. Cheers, Morris
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Mar 18, 2017 1:39 PM

Hi

On Mar 17, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Morris Odell vilgotch@bigpond.net.au wrote:

HI all,

Thanks to all those who responded to my post and also for the great pics of
other tuning forks. It's amazing that they were still being used for
electronic purposes as recently as the 1960s.

Motorola was still very much in the business of making Vibrasenders and Vibrasponders
to generate and decode PL tones on FM radios well into the 1980’s. They were
really not much more than tuning forks set to the proper tone frequency.

Bob

Actually now that I think
about it I have seen little tuning forks used to check the function of
modern police speed radars so they still have some use. Musicians don't use
them any more - guitar players will know the little electronic tuning
devices clipped to the  neck of the instrument that displays the frequency
or key of each string. Doctors still use 125 Hz forks to test vibration
sense and higher frequency ones to test for conductive hearing loss.

In answer to some of the questions posted: no there was no documentation
with the unit. The most useful thing was the "12 volts in" label on the
power socket so I knew where to start. The rest of it was necktop analysis.
The fork is maintained by means of a central electromagnet and small leaf
spring contacts on the tines - they also provide the 25 Hz power for the
motor which runs at 12 volts. Of course they would reduce the Q of the fork
a little and affect its resonance but I'm sure that was taken into  account
by the designer and the frequency & symmetry can be adjusted with the
weights on the ends. Operating current is about 0.5A at 12 volts when
running and 1A when the fork is not vibrating. There's a switch marked "Neon
Lamp" that controls the AC supply to a pair of clips between the tines of
the fork. They are about 3-4 inches apart and I have no idea what sort of
long thin tubular lamp would fit between them. Just for fun I'm going to
make a simple stroboscope with a 555 timer and some high intensity white
LEDs I have lying around to see if I can use it on the fork.

Cheers,

Morris


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Hi > On Mar 17, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Morris Odell <vilgotch@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > HI all, > > Thanks to all those who responded to my post and also for the great pics of > other tuning forks. It's amazing that they were still being used for > electronic purposes as recently as the 1960s. Motorola was still very much in the business of making Vibrasenders and Vibrasponders to generate and decode PL tones on FM radios well into the 1980’s. They were really not much more than tuning forks set to the proper tone frequency. Bob > Actually now that I think > about it I have seen little tuning forks used to check the function of > modern police speed radars so they still have some use. Musicians don't use > them any more - guitar players will know the little electronic tuning > devices clipped to the neck of the instrument that displays the frequency > or key of each string. Doctors still use 125 Hz forks to test vibration > sense and higher frequency ones to test for conductive hearing loss. > > In answer to some of the questions posted: no there was no documentation > with the unit. The most useful thing was the "12 volts in" label on the > power socket so I knew where to start. The rest of it was necktop analysis. > The fork is maintained by means of a central electromagnet and small leaf > spring contacts on the tines - they also provide the 25 Hz power for the > motor which runs at 12 volts. Of course they would reduce the Q of the fork > a little and affect its resonance but I'm sure that was taken into account > by the designer and the frequency & symmetry can be adjusted with the > weights on the ends. Operating current is about 0.5A at 12 volts when > running and 1A when the fork is not vibrating. There's a switch marked "Neon > Lamp" that controls the AC supply to a pair of clips between the tines of > the fork. They are about 3-4 inches apart and I have no idea what sort of > long thin tubular lamp would fit between them. Just for fun I'm going to > make a simple stroboscope with a 555 timer and some high intensity white > LEDs I have lying around to see if I can use it on the fork. > > Cheers, > > Morris > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
BC
Brooke Clarke
Wed, Mar 22, 2017 9:34 PM

Hi Morris:

The GR 631 StroboTac includes a power line driven vibrating reed sticking into the reflector and so it's motion is
stopped by the strobe.
The patent has hand written comments regarding that idea.
http://www.prc68.com/I/GRstrobotac.html#2331317
http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/Strobotac631-01b.jpg

The idea here was to use the power line as a frequency reference.
This would be fine since most of the applications for this strobe were related to line driven motors.

--
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

-------- Original Message --------

HI all,

Thanks to all those who responded to my post and also for the great pics of
other tuning forks. It's amazing that they were still being used for
electronic purposes as recently as the 1960s. Actually now that I think
about it I have seen little tuning forks used to check the function of
modern police speed radars so they still have some use. Musicians don't use
them any more - guitar players will know the little electronic tuning
devices clipped to the  neck of the instrument that displays the frequency
or key of each string. Doctors still use 125 Hz forks to test vibration
sense and higher frequency ones to test for conductive hearing loss.

In answer to some of the questions posted: no there was no documentation
with the unit. The most useful thing was the "12 volts in" label on the
power socket so I knew where to start. The rest of it was necktop analysis.
The fork is maintained by means of a central electromagnet and small leaf
spring contacts on the tines - they also provide the 25 Hz power for the
motor which runs at 12 volts. Of course they would reduce the Q of the fork
a little and affect its resonance but I'm sure that was taken into  account
by the designer and the frequency & symmetry can be adjusted with the
weights on the ends. Operating current is about 0.5A at 12 volts when
running and 1A when the fork is not vibrating. There's a switch marked "Neon
Lamp" that controls the AC supply to a pair of clips between the tines of
the fork. They are about 3-4 inches apart and I have no idea what sort of
long thin tubular lamp would fit between them. Just for fun I'm going to
make a simple stroboscope with a 555 timer and some high intensity white
LEDs I have lying around to see if I can use it on the fork.

Cheers,

Morris


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Hi Morris: The GR 631 StroboTac includes a power line driven vibrating reed sticking into the reflector and so it's motion is stopped by the strobe. The patent has hand written comments regarding that idea. http://www.prc68.com/I/GRstrobotac.html#2331317 http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/Strobotac631-01b.jpg The idea here was to use the power line as a frequency reference. This would be fine since most of the applications for this strobe were related to line driven motors. -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html -------- Original Message -------- > HI all, > > Thanks to all those who responded to my post and also for the great pics of > other tuning forks. It's amazing that they were still being used for > electronic purposes as recently as the 1960s. Actually now that I think > about it I have seen little tuning forks used to check the function of > modern police speed radars so they still have some use. Musicians don't use > them any more - guitar players will know the little electronic tuning > devices clipped to the neck of the instrument that displays the frequency > or key of each string. Doctors still use 125 Hz forks to test vibration > sense and higher frequency ones to test for conductive hearing loss. > > In answer to some of the questions posted: no there was no documentation > with the unit. The most useful thing was the "12 volts in" label on the > power socket so I knew where to start. The rest of it was necktop analysis. > The fork is maintained by means of a central electromagnet and small leaf > spring contacts on the tines - they also provide the 25 Hz power for the > motor which runs at 12 volts. Of course they would reduce the Q of the fork > a little and affect its resonance but I'm sure that was taken into account > by the designer and the frequency & symmetry can be adjusted with the > weights on the ends. Operating current is about 0.5A at 12 volts when > running and 1A when the fork is not vibrating. There's a switch marked "Neon > Lamp" that controls the AC supply to a pair of clips between the tines of > the fork. They are about 3-4 inches apart and I have no idea what sort of > long thin tubular lamp would fit between them. Just for fun I'm going to > make a simple stroboscope with a 555 timer and some high intensity white > LEDs I have lying around to see if I can use it on the fork. > > Cheers, > > Morris > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >