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Mark Sims
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 5:16 PM

For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision time applications.  Doesn't make much sense to me....


Frühauf proposed using satellite dishes on WAAS satellites for

improved timing accuracy/stability[1].

For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision time applications. Doesn't make much sense to me.... --------------- > Frühauf proposed using satellite dishes on WAAS satellites for improved timing accuracy/stability[1].
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Bob Camp
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 5:39 PM

Hi

That is the standard recommendation from all of the module manufacturers when running in timing (as opposed to survey) mode.
It is based on empirical data that indicates WAAS degrades timing performance once the survey is compete. There are a lot of SBAS
systems out there, so who knows which systems were tested and when they checked them.

Bob

On Dec 4, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Mark Sims holrum@hotmail.com wrote:

For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision time applications.  Doesn't make much sense to me....


Frühauf proposed using satellite dishes on WAAS satellites for

improved timing accuracy/stability[1].


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Hi That is the standard recommendation from all of the module manufacturers when running in timing (as opposed to survey) mode. It is based on empirical data that indicates WAAS degrades timing performance once the survey is compete. There are a lot of SBAS systems out there, so who knows which systems were tested and when they checked them. Bob > On Dec 4, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote: > > For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision time applications. Doesn't make much sense to me.... > > --------------- > >> Frühauf proposed using satellite dishes on WAAS satellites for > improved timing accuracy/stability[1]. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Chris Albertson
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 6:35 PM

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Mark Sims holrum@hotmail.com wrote:

For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision
time applications.  Doesn't make much sense to me....

It turns out that your self-survey position is much better then a WAAS
correct position. WAAS is about 1.5 meters I bet a 12 hour self survey is
about 0.5 meters

Are we still talking about NTP?  If so this kind of stuff is lost in the
noise and will never show up on your system clock.

--

Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote: > For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision > time applications. Doesn't make much sense to me.... > > It turns out that your self-survey position is much better then a WAAS correct position. WAAS is about 1.5 meters I bet a 12 hour self survey is about 0.5 meters Are we still talking about NTP? If so this kind of stuff is lost in the noise and will never show up on your system clock. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California
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Bob Camp
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 6:45 PM

Hi

A 12 hour survey done with WAAS turned on is likely to be better than one with WAAS turned off.
How good a 96 hour survey with WAAS on and off is something of a toss up.

Bob

On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.chris@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Mark Sims holrum@hotmail.com wrote:

For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision
time applications.  Doesn't make much sense to me....

It turns out that your self-survey position is much better then a WAAS
correct position. WAAS is about 1.5 meters I bet a 12 hour self survey is
about 0.5 meters

Are we still talking about NTP?  If so this kind of stuff is lost in the
noise and will never show up on your system clock.

--

Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California


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Hi A 12 hour survey done with WAAS turned on is likely to be better than one with WAAS turned off. How good a 96 hour survey with WAAS on and off is something of a toss up. Bob > On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Chris Albertson <albertson.chris@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> For some unmentioned reason Ublox recommends disabling WAAS for precision >> time applications. Doesn't make much sense to me.... >> >> > It turns out that your self-survey position is much better then a WAAS > correct position. WAAS is about 1.5 meters I bet a 12 hour self survey is > about 0.5 meters > > Are we still talking about NTP? If so this kind of stuff is lost in the > noise and will never show up on your system clock. > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.