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Re: [time-nuts] Switching regulator 12 > 4 V (3.3)

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KA2WEU@aol.com
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 7:46 PM

Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC
in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage.

73 de Ulrich

Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage. 73 de Ulrich
J
jimlux
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 8:12 PM

On 12/4/16 11:46 AM, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts wrote:

Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC
in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage.

do you need 4V or 3.3V?

I'd start with one of the modular parts we've been discussing.  They
typically have 9-18V input range and whatever you want out.

Since I have the Mouser search page up, P78A03-0500 is $3.71 in qty 1,
3.3V out @ 0.5A, 6-28V in.  ABout 85% efficient

On 12/4/16 11:46 AM, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts wrote: > Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC > in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage. > do you need 4V or 3.3V? I'd start with one of the modular parts we've been discussing. They typically have 9-18V input range and whatever you want out. Since I have the Mouser search page up, P78A03-0500 is $3.71 in qty 1, 3.3V out @ 0.5A, 6-28V in. ABout 85% efficient
AK
Attila Kinali
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 8:32 PM

Moin Ulrich,

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 14:46:34 -0500
KA2WEU--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC
in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage.

You can either use one of the DC/DC converter modules by Muarata/Cui/..
or run your own. The former is of course easier and faster if you
just need something working. The later is IMHO the recommended approach
if you are doing your own board anyways, as you can tailor the DC/DC
converter to your needs and thus ensure minimal ripple/EMI.

Overall, doing your own DC/DC converter is pretty easy, if you know
a bit of RF design and know where the current flows. Using a modern
DC/DC converter chip like the LMR14006 will get you there with an
easy to solder case. Additionally you will need a Schottky diode that
can withstand some beating (aka high reverse recovery). TI lists the
NXP PMEG6010 in their reference design. As inductor I would probably
go with one of the Würth WE-TPC series (low resistance, high saturation
current and nicely shielded). Add some ceramic capacitors (something
like 10-100µF), and you are done.

For PCB layout, keep the current path from input capacitor to DC/DC
converter ground; the path from switching output over the diode to converter
ground; the path from switching output over inductor output capacitor
to converter ground as short as possible. Add as many ground vias as
possible and at least one complete, uncut ground plane directly underneath
all components. If possible use multiple GND planes. Even though this
thing should not generate much heat (with efficiencies >80% it should
be less than 0.4W for your requirements) it is still quite a bit if it
gets stuck somewhere. Thus the ground planes should be large and also
cover the back side to dissipate the heat.

For additional EMI reduction, put the inductor such, that the start
of the winding points in direction of the DC/DC converter and diode.

		Attila Kinali

--
It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All
the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no
use without that foundation.
-- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson

Moin Ulrich, On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 14:46:34 -0500 KA2WEU--- via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC > in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage. You can either use one of the DC/DC converter modules by Muarata/Cui/.. or run your own. The former is of course easier and faster if you just need something working. The later is IMHO the recommended approach if you are doing your own board anyways, as you can tailor the DC/DC converter to your needs and thus ensure minimal ripple/EMI. Overall, doing your own DC/DC converter is pretty easy, if you know a bit of RF design and know where the current flows. Using a modern DC/DC converter chip like the LMR14006 will get you there with an easy to solder case. Additionally you will need a Schottky diode that can withstand some beating (aka high reverse recovery). TI lists the NXP PMEG6010 in their reference design. As inductor I would probably go with one of the Würth WE-TPC series (low resistance, high saturation current and nicely shielded). Add some ceramic capacitors (something like 10-100µF), and you are done. For PCB layout, keep the current path from input capacitor to DC/DC converter ground; the path from switching output over the diode to converter ground; the path from switching output over inductor output capacitor to converter ground as short as possible. Add as many ground vias as possible and at least one complete, uncut ground plane directly underneath all components. If possible use multiple GND planes. Even though this thing should not generate much heat (with efficiencies >80% it should be less than 0.4W for your requirements) it is still quite a bit if it gets stuck somewhere. Thus the ground planes should be large and also cover the back side to dissipate the heat. For additional EMI reduction, put the inductor such, that the start of the winding points in direction of the DC/DC converter and diode. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson
TS
Tim Shoppa
Sun, Dec 4, 2016 9:06 PM

I use the LM2574 for a lot of one-off applications the past decade or more.
For a 4V application you would start with LM2574-ADJ. It is available in
8-pin DIP, although the surface mount part is just as amenable to
dead-bugging, and does 0.5 amp no problem and runs perfectly cool. It does
not take (by modern standards) the smallest switching inductors and I
always do additional LC filtering at both input and output, so in terms of
"board space" this is quite a hog compared to more modern higher frequency
switchers.

Tim N3QE

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Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC
in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage.

73 de Ulrich


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I use the LM2574 for a lot of one-off applications the past decade or more. For a 4V application you would start with LM2574-ADJ. It is available in 8-pin DIP, although the surface mount part is just as amenable to dead-bugging, and does 0.5 amp no problem and runs perfectly cool. It does not take (by modern standards) the smallest switching inductors and I always do additional LC filtering at both input and output, so in terms of "board space" this is quite a hog compared to more modern higher frequency switchers. Tim N3QE On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 2:46 PM, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > Who has a good recommendation for a switching power supply circuit, 12V DC > in, 4 V/ 500mA out , Exactly 3.3 for IC voltage. > > 73 de Ulrich > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >