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Temperature sensor

JG
Joseph Gray
Wed, Mar 16, 2016 7:19 PM

I want to setup an experiment where I log both voltage and
temperature. I will be using DS18S20 sensors. I would like to shield
the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system.

I'm thinking perhaps something simple, like a pill bottle drilled with
holes to minimize the effects of air currents. Or even an open ended
pill bottle with no holes. What would you suggest?

It might be interesting to also log a sensor that is in the air flow
of the room, at the same time.

Joe Gray
W5JG

I want to setup an experiment where I log both voltage and temperature. I will be using DS18S20 sensors. I would like to shield the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system. I'm thinking perhaps something simple, like a pill bottle drilled with holes to minimize the effects of air currents. Or even an open ended pill bottle with no holes. What would you suggest? It might be interesting to also log a sensor that is in the air flow of the room, at the same time. Joe Gray W5JG
MS
Mike S
Wed, Mar 16, 2016 8:22 PM

On 3/16/2016 3:19 PM, Joseph Gray wrote:

I would like to shield
the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system.

Because that's not really making it colder or warmer? :-)

Sounds like you want a moving average, so you don't see the sudden
changes, even when they exist. Add some thermal mass to the sensor. Easy
way: waterproof it (epoxy, Plasti-Dip, etc.) and stick it in a bottle of
water.

On 3/16/2016 3:19 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: > I would like to shield > the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system. Because that's not really making it colder or warmer? :-) Sounds like you want a moving average, so you don't see the sudden changes, even when they exist. Add some thermal mass to the sensor. Easy way: waterproof it (epoxy, Plasti-Dip, etc.) and stick it in a bottle of water.
JP
John Phillips
Wed, Mar 16, 2016 8:47 PM

You should use oil so that you do not get evaporative cooling.  I have
worked with temp rules that talk about oil filled 1 quart jars spaced
around the point you want to measure.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mike S mikes@flatsurface.com wrote:

On 3/16/2016 3:19 PM, Joseph Gray wrote:

I would like to shield
the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system.

Because that's not really making it colder or warmer? :-)

Sounds like you want a moving average, so you don't see the sudden
changes, even when they exist. Add some thermal mass to the sensor. Easy
way: waterproof it (epoxy, Plasti-Dip, etc.) and stick it in a bottle of
water.


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John Phillips

You should use oil so that you do not get evaporative cooling. I have worked with temp rules that talk about oil filled 1 quart jars spaced around the point you want to measure. On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mike S <mikes@flatsurface.com> wrote: > On 3/16/2016 3:19 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: > > I would like to shield > > the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system. > > Because that's not really making it colder or warmer? :-) > > Sounds like you want a moving average, so you don't see the sudden > changes, even when they exist. Add some thermal mass to the sensor. Easy > way: waterproof it (epoxy, Plasti-Dip, etc.) and stick it in a bottle of > water. > > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- *John Phillips*
DJ
Didier Juges
Wed, Mar 16, 2016 10:12 PM

These questions come up regularly. It is much much much easier to average
it in software after the fact, then you can apply the filtering you want or
try different ones.

Look at this temperature graph (it takes a while to load, there is a lot of
data) (yes, it may even take longer than that):

http://www.eds-fl.com/test/plot.php?file=5-68.1.37.121.csv&length=full

The number in the bottom left corner of the graph is the moving average,
change it to smaller or bigger to see how much filtering you want.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mike S mikes@flatsurface.com wrote:

On 3/16/2016 3:19 PM, Joseph Gray wrote:

I would like to shield
the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system.

Because that's not really making it colder or warmer? :-)

Sounds like you want a moving average, so you don't see the sudden
changes, even when they exist. Add some thermal mass to the sensor. Easy
way: waterproof it (epoxy, Plasti-Dip, etc.) and stick it in a bottle of
water.


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These questions come up regularly. It is much much much easier to average it in software after the fact, then you can apply the filtering you want or try different ones. Look at this temperature graph (it takes a while to load, there is a lot of data) (yes, it may even take longer than that): http://www.eds-fl.com/test/plot.php?file=5-68.1.37.121.csv&length=full The number in the bottom left corner of the graph is the moving average, change it to smaller or bigger to see how much filtering you want. On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mike S <mikes@flatsurface.com> wrote: > On 3/16/2016 3:19 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: > > I would like to shield > > the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system. > > Because that's not really making it colder or warmer? :-) > > Sounds like you want a moving average, so you don't see the sudden > changes, even when they exist. Add some thermal mass to the sensor. Easy > way: waterproof it (epoxy, Plasti-Dip, etc.) and stick it in a bottle of > water. > > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
MS
Mike S
Wed, Mar 16, 2016 10:15 PM

On 3/16/2016 4:47 PM, John Phillips wrote:

You should use oil so that you do not get evaporative cooling.

Better still, but more potential to be messy. Another advantage is that
there's no need to waterproof the sensor. I was thinking along the lines
of sticking the wire through a small hole in a bottle cap, so there's
next to no evaporation or spill potential. Even using an open glass of
water, evaporation isn't likely to make enough of a difference given the
accuracy/resolution of a DS18S20.

On 3/16/2016 4:47 PM, John Phillips wrote: > You should use oil so that you do not get evaporative cooling. Better still, but more potential to be messy. Another advantage is that there's no need to waterproof the sensor. I was thinking along the lines of sticking the wire through a small hole in a bottle cap, so there's next to no evaporation or spill potential. Even using an open glass of water, evaporation isn't likely to make enough of a difference given the accuracy/resolution of a DS18S20.
NM
Neville Michie
Wed, Mar 16, 2016 11:13 PM

Averaging in software is preferable for temperature measurement.
If you shield a sensor from air currents you leave it far more
sensitive to radiation errors and errors from conduction along the leads.
These problems only increase if you try to place a brick on the sensor to
average the response, you simply decrease the dependence on air temperature
and increase radiation and conduction problems.
cheers,
Neville Michie

On 17 Mar 2016, at 6:19 am, Joseph Gray jgray@zianet.com wrote:

I want to setup an experiment where I log both voltage and
temperature. I will be using DS18S20 sensors. I would like to shield
the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system.

I'm thinking perhaps something simple, like a pill bottle drilled with
holes to minimize the effects of air currents. Or even an open ended
pill bottle with no holes. What would you suggest?

It might be interesting to also log a sensor that is in the air flow
of the room, at the same time.

Joe Gray
W5JG


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Averaging in software is preferable for temperature measurement. If you shield a sensor from air currents you leave it far more sensitive to radiation errors and errors from conduction along the leads. These problems only increase if you try to place a brick on the sensor to average the response, you simply decrease the dependence on air temperature and increase radiation and conduction problems. cheers, Neville Michie > On 17 Mar 2016, at 6:19 am, Joseph Gray <jgray@zianet.com> wrote: > > I want to setup an experiment where I log both voltage and > temperature. I will be using DS18S20 sensors. I would like to shield > the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system. > > I'm thinking perhaps something simple, like a pill bottle drilled with > holes to minimize the effects of air currents. Or even an open ended > pill bottle with no holes. What would you suggest? > > It might be interesting to also log a sensor that is in the air flow > of the room, at the same time. > > Joe Gray > W5JG > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.