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Re: [time-nuts] Totally unrelated, but..

HM
Hal Murray
Thu, Dec 8, 2016 5:34 AM

the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends
up to several MHz.  A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz.

Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue there. The
device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream.

Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that?

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kb8tq@n1k.org said: >> the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends >> up to several MHz. A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz. > Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue there. The > device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream. Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
BC
Bob Camp
Thu, Dec 8, 2016 5:41 AM

Hi

The problem with a “simple” filter is that they rarely work as well as you might think
they do. Grounding and other layout issues generally get you sooner than you would
think. Coils and caps are often not as broadband as you would hope….

Bob

On Dec 8, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

kb8tq@n1k.org said:

the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends
up to several MHz.  A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz.

Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue there. The
device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream.

Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that?

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Hi The problem with a “simple” filter is that they rarely work as well as you might think they do. Grounding and other layout issues generally get you sooner than you would think. Coils and caps are often not as broadband as you would hope…. Bob > On Dec 8, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: > > > kb8tq@n1k.org said: >>> the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends >>> up to several MHz. A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz. >> Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue there. The >> device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream. > > Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that? > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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jimlux
Thu, Dec 8, 2016 3:05 PM

On 12/7/16 9:34 PM, Hal Murray wrote:

the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends
up to several MHz.  A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz.

Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue there. The
device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream.

Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that?

It would be difficult to get the kind of rejection the 3042 gives you
with a simple LC, you're looking at 80 dB or better from DC to 3MHz
See the attached figure.  A multisection filter with carefully chosen
components can do it.

The usual "solder in" bulkhead feethroughs (e.g. Spectrum Controls), for
instance are ok at higher frequencies (70dB above 10 MHz), but pretty
bad low down.  So you're looking at a discrete design.

they've even got an ap note on how to measure this, which is no easy feat
http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/application-note/an159fa.pdf

On 12/7/16 9:34 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > kb8tq@n1k.org said: >>> the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends >>> up to several MHz. A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz. >> Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue there. The >> device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream. > > Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that? > It would be difficult to get the kind of rejection the 3042 gives you with a *simple* LC, you're looking at 80 dB or better from DC to 3MHz See the attached figure. A multisection filter with carefully chosen components can do it. The usual "solder in" bulkhead feethroughs (e.g. Spectrum Controls), for instance are ok at higher frequencies (70dB above 10 MHz), but pretty bad low down. So you're looking at a discrete design. they've even got an ap note on how to *measure* this, which is no easy feat http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/application-note/an159fa.pdf
VH
Van Horn, David
Thu, Dec 8, 2016 4:45 PM

Possible, but it should not need that, and the original design didn't include it.

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kb8tq@n1k.org said:

the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends up to
several MHz.  A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz.

Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue
there. The device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream.

Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that?

--
These are my opinions.  I hate spam.

Possible, but it should not need that, and the original design didn't include it. -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:35 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: hmurray@megapathdsl.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Totally unrelated, but.. kb8tq@n1k.org said: >> the cool thing about those parts is that their PSRR extends up to >> several MHz. A lot of LDOs have good PSRR to kHz. > Which to bring it back to noise in radios ….. could be the issue > there. The device isn’t oscillating, it’s just not blocking the crud from upstream. Would a simple L-C type filter on the input side solve that? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.