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Measuring coax temperature coefficient with a TICC

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Mark Sims
Tue, Apr 18, 2017 3:50 PM

Unfortunately I did not have the ability to log temperature at the time I did that test.  I just added support to Lady Heather for an environmental sensor so I should be able to do that later on.  Currently my environmental sensor code only does two channels of temperature.  I am going to build a board with an ATMEGA 328 chip and BMP280 for humidity and pressure along with support for a couple of temperature sensors (should be able to do type K thermocouples and RTD1000's)


maybe you can recalculate your results in PPM and plot against temperature,

to compare with the mw-journal plots?

Unfortunately I did not have the ability to log temperature at the time I did that test. I just added support to Lady Heather for an environmental sensor so I should be able to do that later on. Currently my environmental sensor code only does two channels of temperature. I am going to build a board with an ATMEGA 328 chip and BMP280 for humidity and pressure along with support for a couple of temperature sensors (should be able to do type K thermocouples and RTD1000's) ----------------- > maybe you can recalculate your results in PPM and plot against temperature, to compare with the mw-journal plots?
BK
Bob kb8tq
Tue, Apr 18, 2017 10:55 PM

Hi

On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will
only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is very slow (as in days …).

Bob

On Apr 18, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mark Sims holrum@hotmail.com wrote:

Unfortunately I did not have the ability to log temperature at the time I did that test.  I just added support to Lady Heather for an environmental sensor so I should be able to do that later on.  Currently my environmental sensor code only does two channels of temperature.  I am going to build a board with an ATMEGA 328 chip and BMP280 for humidity and pressure along with support for a couple of temperature sensors (should be able to do type K thermocouples and RTD1000's)


maybe you can recalculate your results in PPM and plot against temperature,

to compare with the mw-journal plots?


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Hi On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is *very* slow (as in days …). Bob > On Apr 18, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Unfortunately I did not have the ability to log temperature at the time I did that test. I just added support to Lady Heather for an environmental sensor so I should be able to do that later on. Currently my environmental sensor code only does two channels of temperature. I am going to build a board with an ATMEGA 328 chip and BMP280 for humidity and pressure along with support for a couple of temperature sensors (should be able to do type K thermocouples and RTD1000's) > > ----------------- > >> maybe you can recalculate your results in PPM and plot against temperature, > to compare with the mw-journal plots? > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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jimlux
Wed, Apr 19, 2017 12:33 AM

On 4/18/17 3:55 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

Hi

On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will
only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is very slow (as in days …).

measure the DC resistance of the spool, and you'll be able to get a sort
of "average" temperature.

On 4/18/17 3:55 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will > only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is *very* slow (as in days …). > measure the DC resistance of the spool, and you'll be able to get a sort of "average" temperature.
BK
Bob kb8tq
Wed, Apr 19, 2017 10:34 AM

Hi

On Apr 18, 2017, at 8:33 PM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

On 4/18/17 3:55 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

Hi

On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will
only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is very slow (as in days …).

measure the DC resistance of the spool, and you'll be able to get a sort of "average" temperature.

I’d want to be pretty sure what the center conductor was made out of. I’ve seen some stuff
in coax that “one would think” should not be there (copper over steel …).

Bob


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Hi > On Apr 18, 2017, at 8:33 PM, jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: > > On 4/18/17 3:55 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Hi >> >> On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will >> only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is *very* slow (as in days …). >> > > measure the DC resistance of the spool, and you'll be able to get a sort of "average" temperature. I’d want to be pretty sure what the center conductor was made out of. I’ve seen some stuff in coax that “one would think” should not be there (copper over steel …). Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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jimlux
Wed, Apr 19, 2017 12:40 PM

On 4/19/17 3:34 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

Hi

On Apr 18, 2017, at 8:33 PM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

On 4/18/17 3:55 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

Hi

On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will
only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is very slow (as in days …).

measure the DC resistance of the spool, and you'll be able to get a sort of "average" temperature.

I’d want to be pretty sure what the center conductor was made out of. I’ve seen some stuff
in coax that “one would think” should not be there (copper over steel …).

One would want to calibrate your "coax as temp sensor" just in case
you've got some exotic stuff with silver plated over stainless steel
(used in cryo applications).  But you could probably do that with a
short length.

Copper is about 0.4% /degree
Iron is about 0.6%

So, over a -10 to 60 degree swing you'd see about significant (30-40%)
change in the resistance, and it would be easy to tell if it's copper or
iron or NiCr or something really exotic.

The Belden catalog says that RG58/U type coax is about 7-8 ohms/1000 ft.
So a 10 foot length is 0.07 ohms - A bit tricky to measure that low, but
not impossible, and certainly within the scope of a time-nut skilled in
the electronics arts.

On 4/19/17 3:34 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > >> On Apr 18, 2017, at 8:33 PM, jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> On 4/18/17 3:55 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> On something like a 500’ spool of coax, the question will always be “what temperature is it where in the spool”. A single sensor will >>> only give you precise information if the temperature ramp is *very* slow (as in days …). >>> >> >> measure the DC resistance of the spool, and you'll be able to get a sort of "average" temperature. > > I’d want to be pretty sure what the center conductor was made out of. I’ve seen some stuff > in coax that “one would think” should not be there (copper over steel …). > One would want to calibrate your "coax as temp sensor" just in case you've got some exotic stuff with silver plated over stainless steel (used in cryo applications). But you could probably do that with a short length. Copper is about 0.4% /degree Iron is about 0.6% So, over a -10 to 60 degree swing you'd see about significant (30-40%) change in the resistance, and it would be easy to tell if it's copper or iron or NiCr or something really exotic. The Belden catalog says that RG58/U type coax is about 7-8 ohms/1000 ft. So a 10 foot length is 0.07 ohms - A bit tricky to measure that low, but not impossible, and certainly within the scope of a time-nut skilled in the electronics arts.