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Re: [time-nuts] How does sawtooth compensation work?

HM
Hal Murray
Mon, Jul 18, 2016 10:55 PM

The systems gravitate towards PLL time constants that average it all away.

You are overlooking hanging bridges.

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Nick Sayer
Tue, Jul 19, 2016 3:06 AM

On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

The systems gravitate towards PLL time constants that average it all away.

You are overlooking hanging bridges.

Yes, that’s true. Given the facilities I have available with the present hardware, I don’t believe I have much choice. I am not confident that I could tell the difference between noise in the phase detection system and PPS jitter variations that small. If the PA6H receiver gave sawtooth corrections, I’d be able to do better.

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: > >> The systems gravitate towards PLL time constants that average it all away. > > You are overlooking hanging bridges. Yes, that’s true. Given the facilities I have available with the present hardware, I don’t believe I have much choice. I am not confident that I could tell the difference between noise in the phase detection system and PPS jitter variations that small. If the PA6H receiver gave sawtooth corrections, I’d be able to do better.
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Nick Sayer
Tue, Jul 19, 2016 3:24 PM

So now that I’ve said that out loud, I’ve gone back and taken a thousand points from log and plotted them in excel.

Looks a lot more like sawtooth than noise. Hmm. I might have to reconsider.

On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

The systems gravitate towards PLL time constants that average it all away.

You are overlooking hanging bridges.

Yes, that’s true. Given the facilities I have available with the present hardware, I don’t believe I have much choice. I am not confident that I could tell the difference between noise in the phase detection system and PPS jitter variations that small. If the PA6H receiver gave sawtooth corrections, I’d be able to do better.


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So now that I’ve said that out loud, I’ve gone back and taken a thousand points from log and plotted them in excel. Looks a *lot* more like sawtooth than noise. Hmm. I might have to reconsider. > On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: >> >>> The systems gravitate towards PLL time constants that average it all away. >> >> You are overlooking hanging bridges. > > Yes, that’s true. Given the facilities I have available with the present hardware, I don’t believe I have much choice. I am not confident that I could tell the difference between noise in the phase detection system and PPS jitter variations that small. If the PA6H receiver gave sawtooth corrections, I’d be able to do better. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.