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The "NAKED" 5065A optical unit

PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Wed, Feb 21, 2018 3:37 PM

In message 20180221163511.b8d6eec26415fe16e66e44f1@kinali.ch, Attila Kinali w
rites:

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:36:49 -0700
Mark Goldberg marklgoldberg@gmail.com wrote:

I don't know anything about these devices, but for TCXOs, the power supply
noise significantly affects the phase noise of the output. An LM317 is not
well specified for noise and I expect is is orders of magnitude worse than
something like an LT3042 low noise regulator.

It's >30dB for broadband noise, according to Gerhard Hoffmann's measurement:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/24070698809/in/album-72157662535945536/

Just to point out that you are rapidly heading down a blind alley from
where this topic started:

I was talking about driving the single-transistor UHF generator which
ionizes the Rb in the lamp, so far I have not even established if
this voltage affects the HP5065 performance in the first place.

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-------- In message <20180221163511.b8d6eec26415fe16e66e44f1@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali w rites: >On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:36:49 -0700 >Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't know anything about these devices, but for TCXOs, the power supply >> noise significantly affects the phase noise of the output. An LM317 is not >> well specified for noise and I expect is is orders of magnitude worse than >> something like an LT3042 low noise regulator. > >It's >30dB for broadband noise, according to Gerhard Hoffmann's measurement: >https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/24070698809/in/album-72157662535945536/ Just to point out that you are rapidly heading down a blind alley from where this topic started: I was talking about driving the single-transistor UHF generator which ionizes the Rb in the lamp, so far I have not even established if this voltage affects the HP5065 performance in the first place. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
AK
Attila Kinali
Wed, Feb 21, 2018 3:44 PM

On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:37:53 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:

I was talking about driving the single-transistor UHF generator which
ionizes the Rb in the lamp, so far I have not even established if
this voltage affects the HP5065 performance in the first place.

Oops... sorry, I missed that piece of context.
Yes, it is very unlikely that the noise of lamp power supply
would affect anything. At most, I could imagine that the frequency
drift of the lamp oscillator could maybe have some effects, but
even that is rather unlikely or swamped by other disturbances.

			Attila Kinali

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On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:37:53 +0000 "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: > I was talking about driving the single-transistor UHF generator which > ionizes the Rb in the lamp, so far I have not even established if > this voltage affects the HP5065 performance in the first place. Oops... sorry, I missed that piece of context. Yes, it is very unlikely that the noise of lamp power supply would affect anything. At most, I could imagine that the frequency drift of the lamp oscillator could maybe have some effects, but even that is rather unlikely or swamped by other disturbances. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson