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cdelect@juno.com
Fri, Dec 2, 2016 5:54 PM

Hi,

I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a
question.
I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some
readings.
I did the 5 items to configure it:
HW pacing (disabled)
print on
baud rate (19200)
parity
SW pacing (none)

with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I
thought with  a 1 second gate I'd get an  output measurement every
second?

I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement
before the next one is read!

Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log
the results.

I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not
exceed around 80% of full scale.
If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second.

I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around
80%.

Any advice is most welcome!

I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens.

Cheers,

Corby

Hi, I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a question. I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some readings. I did the 5 items to configure it: HW pacing (disabled) print on baud rate (19200) parity SW pacing (none) with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I thought with a 1 second gate I'd get an output measurement every second? I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement before the next one is read! Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log the results. I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not exceed around 80% of full scale. If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second. I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around 80%. Any advice is most welcome! I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens. Cheers, Corby
BC
Bob Camp
Fri, Dec 2, 2016 6:15 PM

Hi

With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with the
settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong with your
setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading output
per second.  The input level should have no impact as long as it will properly
trigger the counter.

Bob

On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, cdelect@juno.com cdelect@juno.com wrote:

Hi,

I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a
question.
I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some
readings.
I did the 5 items to configure it:
HW pacing (disabled)
print on
baud rate (19200)
parity
SW pacing (none)

with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I
thought with  a 1 second gate I'd get an  output measurement every
second?

I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement
before the next one is read!

Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log
the results.

I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not
exceed around 80% of full scale.
If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second.

I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around
80%.

Any advice is most welcome!

I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens.

Cheers,

Corby


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Hi With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with the settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong with your setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading output per second. The input level should have no impact as long as it will properly trigger the counter. Bob > On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, <cdelect@juno.com> <cdelect@juno.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a > question. > I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some > readings. > I did the 5 items to configure it: > HW pacing (disabled) > print on > baud rate (19200) > parity > SW pacing (none) > > with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I > thought with a 1 second gate I'd get an output measurement every > second? > > I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement > before the next one is read! > > Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log > the results. > > I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not > exceed around 80% of full scale. > If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second. > > I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around > 80%. > > Any advice is most welcome! > > I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens. > > Cheers, > > Corby > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
SS
Scott Stobbe
Sat, Dec 3, 2016 7:01 PM

Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you
know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Hi

With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with the
settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong with
your
setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading
output
per second.  The input level should have no impact as long as it will
properly
trigger the counter.

Bob

On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, cdelect@juno.com cdelect@juno.com

wrote:

Hi,

I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a
question.
I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some
readings.
I did the 5 items to configure it:
HW pacing (disabled)
print on
baud rate (19200)
parity
SW pacing (none)

with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I
thought with  a 1 second gate I'd get an  output measurement every
second?

I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement
before the next one is read!

Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log
the results.

I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not
exceed around 80% of full scale.
If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second.

I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around
80%.

Any advice is most welcome!

I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens.

Cheers,

Corby


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Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S. On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > Hi > > With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with the > settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong with > your > setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading > output > per second. The input level should have no impact as long as it will > properly > trigger the counter. > > Bob > > > On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, <cdelect@juno.com> <cdelect@juno.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a > > question. > > I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some > > readings. > > I did the 5 items to configure it: > > HW pacing (disabled) > > print on > > baud rate (19200) > > parity > > SW pacing (none) > > > > with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I > > thought with a 1 second gate I'd get an output measurement every > > second? > > > > I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement > > before the next one is read! > > > > Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log > > the results. > > > > I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not > > exceed around 80% of full scale. > > If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second. > > > > I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around > > 80%. > > > > Any advice is most welcome! > > > > I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Corby > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Dec 3, 2016 7:42 PM

Hi

Ok, it’s 0.99999992 samples per second … I guess that is so close to
5.0000000000000 seconds and so far from 1.000000000000 seconds that it explains the issue

Bob

On Dec 3, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Scott Stobbe scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com wrote:

Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you
know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Hi

With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with the
settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong with
your
setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading
output
per second.  The input level should have no impact as long as it will
properly
trigger the counter.

Bob

On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, cdelect@juno.com cdelect@juno.com

wrote:

Hi,

I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a
question.
I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some
readings.
I did the 5 items to configure it:
HW pacing (disabled)
print on
baud rate (19200)
parity
SW pacing (none)

with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I
thought with  a 1 second gate I'd get an  output measurement every
second?

I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement
before the next one is read!

Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log
the results.

I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not
exceed around 80% of full scale.
If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second.

I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around
80%.

Any advice is most welcome!

I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens.

Cheers,

Corby


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Hi Ok, it’s 0.99999992 samples per second … I guess that is so close to 5.0000000000000 seconds and so far from 1.000000000000 seconds that it explains the issue Bob > On Dec 3, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Scott Stobbe <scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you > know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S. > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with the >> settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong with >> your >> setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading >> output >> per second. The input level should have no impact as long as it will >> properly >> trigger the counter. >> >> Bob >> >>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, <cdelect@juno.com> <cdelect@juno.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a >>> question. >>> I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some >>> readings. >>> I did the 5 items to configure it: >>> HW pacing (disabled) >>> print on >>> baud rate (19200) >>> parity >>> SW pacing (none) >>> >>> with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I >>> thought with a 1 second gate I'd get an output measurement every >>> second? >>> >>> I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement >>> before the next one is read! >>> >>> Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and log >>> the results. >>> >>> I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did not >>> exceed around 80% of full scale. >>> If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second. >>> >>> I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below around >>> 80%. >>> >>> Any advice is most welcome! >>> >>> I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Corby >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
SS
Scott Stobbe
Sat, Dec 3, 2016 8:05 PM

The 53131A is approximately 0.9 Sa/S with a 1 Sec Gate time. With 0.1 s
gate time things get really ugly... His issue is not gate time his setup
works with print turned off.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Hi

Ok, it’s 0.99999992 samples per second … I guess that is so close to
5.0000000000000 seconds and so far from 1.000000000000 seconds that it
explains the issue

Bob

On Dec 3, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Scott Stobbe scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com

wrote:

Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you
know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Hi

With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with

the

settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong

with

your
setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading
output
per second.  The input level should have no impact as long as it will
properly
trigger the counter.

Bob

On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, cdelect@juno.com cdelect@juno.com

wrote:

Hi,

I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a
question.
I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some
readings.
I did the 5 items to configure it:
HW pacing (disabled)
print on
baud rate (19200)
parity
SW pacing (none)

with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I
thought with  a 1 second gate I'd get an  output measurement every
second?

I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement
before the next one is read!

Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and

log

the results.

I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did

not

exceed around 80% of full scale.
If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second.

I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below

around

80%.

Any advice is most welcome!

I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens.

Cheers,

Corby


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The 53131A is approximately 0.9 Sa/S with a 1 Sec Gate time. With 0.1 s gate time things get really ugly... His issue is not gate time his setup works with print turned off. On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > Hi > > Ok, it’s 0.99999992 samples per second … I guess that is so close to > 5.0000000000000 seconds and so far from 1.000000000000 seconds that it > explains the issue > > Bob > > > On Dec 3, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Scott Stobbe <scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you > > know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S. > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with > the > >> settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong > with > >> your > >> setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading > >> output > >> per second. The input level should have no impact as long as it will > >> properly > >> trigger the counter. > >> > >> Bob > >> > >>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, <cdelect@juno.com> <cdelect@juno.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a > >>> question. > >>> I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some > >>> readings. > >>> I did the 5 items to configure it: > >>> HW pacing (disabled) > >>> print on > >>> baud rate (19200) > >>> parity > >>> SW pacing (none) > >>> > >>> with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I > >>> thought with a 1 second gate I'd get an output measurement every > >>> second? > >>> > >>> I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement > >>> before the next one is read! > >>> > >>> Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and > log > >>> the results. > >>> > >>> I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did > not > >>> exceed around 80% of full scale. > >>> If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second. > >>> > >>> I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below > around > >>> 80%. > >>> > >>> Any advice is most welcome! > >>> > >>> I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Corby > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>> and follow the instructions there. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >> and follow the instructions there. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Dec 3, 2016 8:19 PM

Hi

It’s quite a bit better than that if you speed up the i/o (higher baud rate etc)

Bob

On Dec 3, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Scott Stobbe scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com wrote:

The 53131A is approximately 0.9 Sa/S with a 1 Sec Gate time. With 0.1 s
gate time things get really ugly... His issue is not gate time his setup
works with print turned off.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Hi

Ok, it’s 0.99999992 samples per second … I guess that is so close to
5.0000000000000 seconds and so far from 1.000000000000 seconds that it
explains the issue

Bob

On Dec 3, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Scott Stobbe scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com

wrote:

Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you
know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Hi

With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with

the

settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong

with

your
setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading
output
per second.  The input level should have no impact as long as it will
properly
trigger the counter.

Bob

On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, cdelect@juno.com cdelect@juno.com

wrote:

Hi,

I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a
question.
I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some
readings.
I did the 5 items to configure it:
HW pacing (disabled)
print on
baud rate (19200)
parity
SW pacing (none)

with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I
thought with  a 1 second gate I'd get an  output measurement every
second?

I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement
before the next one is read!

Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and

log

the results.

I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did

not

exceed around 80% of full scale.
If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second.

I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below

around

80%.

Any advice is most welcome!

I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens.

Cheers,

Corby


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Hi It’s quite a bit better than that if you speed up the i/o (higher baud rate etc) Bob > On Dec 3, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Scott Stobbe <scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com> wrote: > > The 53131A is approximately 0.9 Sa/S with a 1 Sec Gate time. With 0.1 s > gate time things get really ugly... His issue is not gate time his setup > works with print turned off. > > On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Ok, it’s 0.99999992 samples per second … I guess that is so close to >> 5.0000000000000 seconds and so far from 1.000000000000 seconds that it >> explains the issue >> >> Bob >> >>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Scott Stobbe <scott.j.stobbe@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Well, that's only true if your counter has zero dead-time... I know you >>> know this, 1 second gate time will give slightly less than 1 Sa/S. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> With a 1 second gate time, you will get one data output per second with >> the >>>> settings you have described. I suspect there is something else wrong >> with >>>> your >>>> setup. The same settings will work for 1 pps and give you one reading >>>> output >>>> per second. The input level should have no impact as long as it will >>>> properly >>>> trigger the counter. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:54 PM, <cdelect@juno.com> <cdelect@juno.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I have not played with my 53131A RS232 for a couple years and have a >>>>> question. >>>>> I want to configure it to "talk" to Hyperterminal so I can log some >>>>> readings. >>>>> I did the 5 items to configure it: >>>>> HW pacing (disabled) >>>>> print on >>>>> baud rate (19200) >>>>> parity >>>>> SW pacing (none) >>>>> >>>>> with a 5Mhz input I only get data sent about once every 3 seconds, I >>>>> thought with a 1 second gate I'd get an output measurement every >>>>> second? >>>>> >>>>> I would think there is plenty of time to output the first measurement >>>>> before the next one is read! >>>>> >>>>> Actual setup I'm wanting to do is time interval (at a 1PPS rate) and >> log >>>>> the results. >>>>> >>>>> I remember I had it working once and it would be OK as long as I did >> not >>>>> exceed around 80% of full scale. >>>>> If that happened I would only get an output logged every other second. >>>>> >>>>> I can live with that part but need to get back to it working below >> around >>>>> 80%. >>>>> >>>>> Any advice is most welcome! >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to configure for the TI and <80% and see what happens. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Corby >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.