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Questions on Nortel Trimble NTBW50AA GPSTM

CA
Clay Autery
Wed, Aug 10, 2016 7:25 PM
  1. Need a 24 VDC power supply.  Am considering just buying an Astron
    VLS-35M Adjustable Voltage/Current supply (5-32V/1.5A to limit) since I
    don't own a variable power supply yet, this is a linear, and the same
    size package as my RS-70M.  I can worry about a dedicated supply later
    if I decide to keep this GPSTM after I finish modding/testing it.

Anyone have any recommendations to the contrary?  Why?

  1. Need to bring the PPS out from the TP in this article:
    https://www.i3detroit.org/wiki/Nortel_GPSTM  The article shows a buffer
    circuit being used to accomplish this...  Need help locating a datasheet
    on the Motorola chip used...  It's obsolete and I need to find a pin
    compatible replacement...

Or, I need to find another buffer schematic/plan,

Or, alternatively....  has anyone ever tried pulling the 1pps out and
hooking it to the 9.8 MHz driver (severing the drive line to it and
jumpering in the 1pps)?  The 9.8MHz and the 10MHz signal out ports SEEM
to use identical driver/buffer circuits on this board...  Seems like a
possibility...

Preferably, I find the Motorola chip, copy the buffer circuit and move
on...

I'm pretty new at this, so any help is appreciated, and not slapping me
about for "not knowing" stuff is greatly appreciated!  :)

Sincerely,

--


Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

1) Need a 24 VDC power supply. Am considering just buying an Astron VLS-35M Adjustable Voltage/Current supply (5-32V/1.5A to limit) since I don't own a variable power supply yet, this is a linear, and the same size package as my RS-70M. I can worry about a dedicated supply later if I decide to keep this GPSTM after I finish modding/testing it. Anyone have any recommendations to the contrary? Why? 2) Need to bring the PPS out from the TP in this article: https://www.i3detroit.org/wiki/Nortel_GPSTM The article shows a buffer circuit being used to accomplish this... Need help locating a datasheet on the Motorola chip used... It's obsolete and I need to find a pin compatible replacement... Or, I need to find another buffer schematic/plan, Or, alternatively.... has anyone ever tried pulling the 1pps out and hooking it to the 9.8 MHz driver (severing the drive line to it and jumpering in the 1pps)? The 9.8MHz and the 10MHz signal out ports SEEM to use identical driver/buffer circuits on this board... Seems like a possibility... Preferably, I find the Motorola chip, copy the buffer circuit and move on... I'm pretty new at this, so any help is appreciated, and not slapping me about for "not knowing" stuff is greatly appreciated! :) Sincerely, -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389
BC
Bob Camp
Wed, Aug 10, 2016 9:59 PM

Hi

You can get a very good industrial 24V supply for < $40 (and maybe < $20) brand
new from distribution. Comes with a 3 year warranty and has all the various protection
things you would want on a supply. My claim is that you will always have 12V, 24V
and 48V “stuff” running around. Having a bulk supply for each makes things a lot easier.

Bob

On Aug 10, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Clay Autery cautery@montac.com wrote:

  1. Need a 24 VDC power supply.  Am considering just buying an Astron
    VLS-35M Adjustable Voltage/Current supply (5-32V/1.5A to limit) since I
    don't own a variable power supply yet, this is a linear, and the same
    size package as my RS-70M.  I can worry about a dedicated supply later
    if I decide to keep this GPSTM after I finish modding/testing it.

Anyone have any recommendations to the contrary?  Why?

  1. Need to bring the PPS out from the TP in this article:
    https://www.i3detroit.org/wiki/Nortel_GPSTM  The article shows a buffer
    circuit being used to accomplish this...  Need help locating a datasheet
    on the Motorola chip used...  It's obsolete and I need to find a pin
    compatible replacement...

Or, I need to find another buffer schematic/plan,

Or, alternatively....  has anyone ever tried pulling the 1pps out and
hooking it to the 9.8 MHz driver (severing the drive line to it and
jumpering in the 1pps)?  The 9.8MHz and the 10MHz signal out ports SEEM
to use identical driver/buffer circuits on this board...  Seems like a
possibility...

Preferably, I find the Motorola chip, copy the buffer circuit and move
on...

I'm pretty new at this, so any help is appreciated, and not slapping me
about for "not knowing" stuff is greatly appreciated!  :)

Sincerely,

--


Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389


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Hi You can get a very good industrial 24V supply for < $40 (and maybe < $20) brand new from distribution. Comes with a 3 year warranty and has all the various protection things you would want on a supply. My claim is that you will always have 12V, 24V and 48V “stuff” running around. Having a bulk supply for each makes things a lot easier. Bob > On Aug 10, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Clay Autery <cautery@montac.com> wrote: > > 1) Need a 24 VDC power supply. Am considering just buying an Astron > VLS-35M Adjustable Voltage/Current supply (5-32V/1.5A to limit) since I > don't own a variable power supply yet, this is a linear, and the same > size package as my RS-70M. I can worry about a dedicated supply later > if I decide to keep this GPSTM after I finish modding/testing it. > > Anyone have any recommendations to the contrary? Why? > > 2) Need to bring the PPS out from the TP in this article: > https://www.i3detroit.org/wiki/Nortel_GPSTM The article shows a buffer > circuit being used to accomplish this... Need help locating a datasheet > on the Motorola chip used... It's obsolete and I need to find a pin > compatible replacement... > > Or, I need to find another buffer schematic/plan, > > Or, alternatively.... has anyone ever tried pulling the 1pps out and > hooking it to the 9.8 MHz driver (severing the drive line to it and > jumpering in the 1pps)? The 9.8MHz and the 10MHz signal out ports SEEM > to use identical driver/buffer circuits on this board... Seems like a > possibility... > > Preferably, I find the Motorola chip, copy the buffer circuit and move > on... > > I'm pretty new at this, so any help is appreciated, and not slapping me > about for "not knowing" stuff is greatly appreciated! :) > > Sincerely, > > -- > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
CA
Clay Autery
Wed, Aug 10, 2016 11:46 PM

Just picked up a 48VDC via suggestion from Mr. Sims from BG Micro, as he
was correct...  It will function on 24VDC or -48VDC and I have to put
another connector on it and/or add a power receptacle on the Nortel box
(just reverse the polarity on one or the other).

I agree that having Multiple power supplies is a good idea...

Just want to make sure that any power supply I add "permanently" is
QUIET...  Just got rid of a noisy switcher that almost drove me bat-crap
crazy before I ID'd it was the culprit.

I test everything now before I use it...  Noisy stuff goes in the trash
on the swap table.

Any hints on a specific 24 VDC supply that is quiet without Herculean
efforts at adding filtering/chokes, et al...

73,


Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 8/10/2016 4:59 PM, Bob Camp wrote:

Hi

You can get a very good industrial 24V supply for < $40 (and maybe < $20) brand
new from distribution. Comes with a 3 year warranty and has all the various protection
things you would want on a supply. My claim is that you will always have 12V, 24V
and 48V “stuff” running around. Having a bulk supply for each makes things a lot easier.

Bob

Just picked up a 48VDC via suggestion from Mr. Sims from BG Micro, as he was correct... It will function on 24VDC or -48VDC and I have to put another connector on it and/or add a power receptacle on the Nortel box (just reverse the polarity on one or the other). I agree that having Multiple power supplies is a good idea... Just want to make sure that any power supply I add "permanently" is QUIET... Just got rid of a noisy switcher that almost drove me bat-crap crazy before I ID'd it was the culprit. I test everything now before I use it... Noisy stuff goes in the trash on the swap table. Any hints on a specific 24 VDC supply that is quiet without Herculean efforts at adding filtering/chokes, et al... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/10/2016 4:59 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > You can get a very good industrial 24V supply for < $40 (and maybe < $20) brand > new from distribution. Comes with a 3 year warranty and has all the various protection > things you would want on a supply. My claim is that you will always have 12V, 24V > and 48V “stuff” running around. Having a bulk supply for each makes things a lot easier. > > Bob
E
EB4APL
Thu, Aug 25, 2016 9:33 PM

Hi,

Sorry for this late response but I was away from home.
I did the 1 PPS mod a year ago. I just cut the trace between TP14 and
U405 pin 6 and soldered a wire between TP14 and TP33.
Now you have 1PPS on the former 9.8304 MHz output. Not being a cellular
tower operator I did not have any use for this frequency.
Comparing the 1PPS with the .5 PPS pulses, there are an offset, which is
not constant.  In my case it can be 540, 440, 340, 240 or 140 ns, it
changes before locking but after the lock condition it remains constant.
Studying the circuit and the Nortel specs, the 1/2 PPS must be
synchronous with the 9.8304 MHz signal, so this is probably the cause.
I still have to check with an independent  1PPS reference (a Rb one) to
see if this PPS is reliable.

Regards,
Ignacio EB4APL

El 10/08/2016 a las 21:25, Clay Autery escribió:

  1. Need a 24 VDC power supply.  Am considering just buying an Astron
    VLS-35M Adjustable Voltage/Current supply (5-32V/1.5A to limit) since I
    don't own a variable power supply yet, this is a linear, and the same
    size package as my RS-70M.  I can worry about a dedicated supply later
    if I decide to keep this GPSTM after I finish modding/testing it.

Anyone have any recommendations to the contrary?  Why?

  1. Need to bring the PPS out from the TP in this article:
    https://www.i3detroit.org/wiki/Nortel_GPSTM  The article shows a buffer
    circuit being used to accomplish this...  Need help locating a datasheet
    on the Motorola chip used...  It's obsolete and I need to find a pin
    compatible replacement...

Or, I need to find another buffer schematic/plan,

Or, alternatively....  has anyone ever tried pulling the 1pps out and
hooking it to the 9.8 MHz driver (severing the drive line to it and
jumpering in the 1pps)?  The 9.8MHz and the 10MHz signal out ports SEEM
to use identical driver/buffer circuits on this board...  Seems like a
possibility...

Preferably, I find the Motorola chip, copy the buffer circuit and move
on...

I'm pretty new at this, so any help is appreciated, and not slapping me
about for "not knowing" stuff is greatly appreciated!  :)

Sincerely,

Hi, Sorry for this late response but I was away from home. I did the 1 PPS mod a year ago. I just cut the trace between TP14 and U405 pin 6 and soldered a wire between TP14 and TP33. Now you have 1PPS on the former 9.8304 MHz output. Not being a cellular tower operator I did not have any use for this frequency. Comparing the 1PPS with the .5 PPS pulses, there are an offset, which is not constant. In my case it can be 540, 440, 340, 240 or 140 ns, it changes before locking but after the lock condition it remains constant. Studying the circuit and the Nortel specs, the 1/2 PPS must be synchronous with the 9.8304 MHz signal, so this is probably the cause. I still have to check with an independent 1PPS reference (a Rb one) to see if this PPS is reliable. Regards, Ignacio EB4APL El 10/08/2016 a las 21:25, Clay Autery escribió: > 1) Need a 24 VDC power supply. Am considering just buying an Astron > VLS-35M Adjustable Voltage/Current supply (5-32V/1.5A to limit) since I > don't own a variable power supply yet, this is a linear, and the same > size package as my RS-70M. I can worry about a dedicated supply later > if I decide to keep this GPSTM after I finish modding/testing it. > > Anyone have any recommendations to the contrary? Why? > > 2) Need to bring the PPS out from the TP in this article: > https://www.i3detroit.org/wiki/Nortel_GPSTM The article shows a buffer > circuit being used to accomplish this... Need help locating a datasheet > on the Motorola chip used... It's obsolete and I need to find a pin > compatible replacement... > > Or, I need to find another buffer schematic/plan, > > Or, alternatively.... has anyone ever tried pulling the 1pps out and > hooking it to the 9.8 MHz driver (severing the drive line to it and > jumpering in the 1pps)? The 9.8MHz and the 10MHz signal out ports SEEM > to use identical driver/buffer circuits on this board... Seems like a > possibility... > > Preferably, I find the Motorola chip, copy the buffer circuit and move > on... > > I'm pretty new at this, so any help is appreciated, and not slapping me > about for "not knowing" stuff is greatly appreciated! :) > > Sincerely, >