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HM
Hal Murray
Fri, Mar 17, 2017 10:04 PM
Frequencies around 15 Hz were common on early 20th century cables,

depending on the degree of success in compensating for the inherent
capacitance on a cable thousands of miles long surrounded by conductive
sea water.

Is the sea water relevant?

Does enough energy leak through the shield so that it matters?  How well does
coax work at low frequencies?

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eric@scace.org said: > Frequencies around 15 Hz were common on early 20th century cables, > depending on the degree of success in compensating for the inherent > capacitance on a cable thousands of miles long surrounded by conductive > sea water. Is the sea water relevant? Does enough energy leak through the shield so that it matters? How well does coax work at low frequencies? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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Bob Bownes
Sat, Mar 18, 2017 1:06 AM

Don't forget, seawater is the return path...

On Mar 17, 2017, at 18:04, Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

eric@scace.org said:

Frequencies around 15 Hz were common on early 20th century cables,
depending on the degree of success in compensating for the inherent
capacitance on a cable thousands of miles long surrounded by conductive
sea water.

Is the sea water relevant?

Does enough energy leak through the shield so that it matters?  How well does
coax work at low frequencies?

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Don't forget, seawater is the return path... > On Mar 17, 2017, at 18:04, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: > > > eric@scace.org said: >> Frequencies around 15 Hz were common on early 20th century cables, >> depending on the degree of success in compensating for the inherent >> capacitance on a cable thousands of miles long surrounded by conductive >> sea water. > > Is the sea water relevant? > > Does enough energy leak through the shield so that it matters? How well does > coax work at low frequencies? > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Poul-Henning Kamp
Sat, Mar 18, 2017 8:47 AM
Frequencies around 15 Hz were common on early 20th century cables,

depending on the degree of success in compensating for the inherent
capacitance on a cable thousands of miles long surrounded by conductive
sea water.

Is the sea water relevant?

Not in a coaxial cable, unless it gets into the cable.

Most telegraph cables where not coaxial and used the sea-water as return path.

Does enough energy leak through the shield so that it matters?  How well does
coax work at low frequencies?

Coax is near perfect at low frequencies, but the lengths of these
cables introduced geophysics as a number of sources of noise.

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-------- In message <20170317220437.4A4FF40605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net>, Hal Murray writes: > >eric@scace.org said: >> Frequencies around 15 Hz were common on early 20th century cables, >> depending on the degree of success in compensating for the inherent >> capacitance on a cable thousands of miles long surrounded by conductive >> sea water. > >Is the sea water relevant? Not in a coaxial cable, unless it gets into the cable. Most telegraph cables where not coaxial and used the sea-water as return path. >Does enough energy leak through the shield so that it matters? How well does >coax work at low frequencies? Coax is near perfect at low frequencies, but the lengths of these cables introduced geophysics as a number of sources of noise. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.