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A Leap Second is coming

HM
Hal Murray
Wed, Dec 28, 2016 10:36 PM

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data?

Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data?

An old favorite:
www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c

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These are my opinions.  I hate spam.

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data? Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data? An old favorite: www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
DJ
David J Taylor
Thu, Dec 29, 2016 8:22 AM

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data?

Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data?

An old favorite:
www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

Perhaps they may be of use to someone?

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data? Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data? An old favorite: www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c ===================== Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace Perhaps they may be of use to someone? Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv
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Vlad
Thu, Dec 29, 2016 2:11 PM

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

For those who using Linux, the following shell command verifies that the
current 'timezone' file contains leap seconds and can be used with this
directive

TZ=right/UTC date -d 'Dec 31 2016 23:59:60'

Ideally, it MUST return "Sat Dec 31 23:59:60 UTC 2016". If 'timezone'
file is not ready, the output will be "date: invalid date"

My TBolt shows me the message that "LeapSeconf event pending". So, if I
understand it right, I should see see it on LH 5.0 screen somehow.
My lab NTP suppose to start slow down its clock 12 second before the
event to match the time.
Also I'll collecting the 'main' cycles to see what will happens during
the 'jump'.

--
WBW,

V.P.

> > Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: > > http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace > For those who using Linux, the following shell command verifies that the current 'timezone' file contains leap seconds and can be used with this directive # TZ=right/UTC date -d 'Dec 31 2016 23:59:60' Ideally, it MUST return "Sat Dec 31 23:59:60 UTC 2016". If 'timezone' file is not ready, the output will be "date: invalid date" My TBolt shows me the message that "LeapSeconf event pending". So, if I understand it right, I should see see it on LH 5.0 screen somehow. My lab NTP suppose to start slow down its clock 12 second before the event to match the time. Also I'll collecting the 'main' cycles to see what will happens during the 'jump'. -- WBW, V.P.
PA
Paul Alfille
Thu, Dec 29, 2016 11:48 PM

Is there a way in LH to test a clock against accurate internew time
(accurate to .5 seconds I guess)?

I have the Arcron WWVB clock that is newly supported in LH and I'd like to
see when the leap second correction is made.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Vlad time@patoka.org wrote:

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

For those who using Linux, the following shell command verifies that the
current 'timezone' file contains leap seconds and can be used with this
directive

TZ=right/UTC date -d 'Dec 31 2016 23:59:60'

Ideally, it MUST return "Sat Dec 31 23:59:60 UTC 2016". If 'timezone' file
is not ready, the output will be "date: invalid date"

My TBolt shows me the message that "LeapSeconf event pending". So, if I
understand it right, I should see see it on LH 5.0 screen somehow.
My lab NTP suppose to start slow down its clock 12 second before the event
to match the time.
Also I'll collecting the 'main' cycles to see what will happens during the
'jump'.

--
WBW,

V.P.


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Is there a way in LH to test a clock against accurate internew time (accurate to .5 seconds I guess)? I have the Arcron WWVB clock that is newly supported in LH and I'd like to see when the leap second correction is made. On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Vlad <time@patoka.org> wrote: > >> Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: >> >> http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace >> >> > For those who using Linux, the following shell command verifies that the > current 'timezone' file contains leap seconds and can be used with this > directive > > # TZ=right/UTC date -d 'Dec 31 2016 23:59:60' > > Ideally, it MUST return "Sat Dec 31 23:59:60 UTC 2016". If 'timezone' file > is not ready, the output will be "date: invalid date" > > > My TBolt shows me the message that "LeapSeconf event pending". So, if I > understand it right, I should see see it on LH 5.0 screen somehow. > My lab NTP suppose to start slow down its clock 12 second before the event > to match the time. > Also I'll collecting the 'main' cycles to see what will happens during the > 'jump'. > > -- > WBW, > > V.P. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Tom Van Baak
Fri, Dec 30, 2016 12:25 AM

Hi Paul,

The Arcron Zeit was one of the early favorites for precise timing. There were a couple other WWVB receivers at the time but IIRC none were as interesting, inexpensive, or hacker friendly as the Arcron. Not sure what model you have (contact me off-list).

Here's a capture of a leap second by an Arcron Zeit. Via usenet (after email and the web, but before google and time-nuts, were invented):

http://leapsecond.com/notes/ls-wwvb-97.htm 

/tvb

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Alfille" paul.alfille@gmail.com
To: time@patoka.org; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A Leap Second is coming

Is there a way in LH to test a clock against accurate internew time
(accurate to .5 seconds I guess)?

I have the Arcron WWVB clock that is newly supported in LH and I'd like to
see when the leap second correction is made.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Vlad time@patoka.org wrote:

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

For those who using Linux, the following shell command verifies that the
current 'timezone' file contains leap seconds and can be used with this
directive

TZ=right/UTC date -d 'Dec 31 2016 23:59:60'

Ideally, it MUST return "Sat Dec 31 23:59:60 UTC 2016". If 'timezone' file
is not ready, the output will be "date: invalid date"

My TBolt shows me the message that "LeapSeconf event pending". So, if I
understand it right, I should see see it on LH 5.0 screen somehow.
My lab NTP suppose to start slow down its clock 12 second before the event
to match the time.
Also I'll collecting the 'main' cycles to see what will happens during the
'jump'.

--
WBW,

V.P.

Hi Paul, The Arcron Zeit was one of the early favorites for precise timing. There were a couple other WWVB receivers at the time but IIRC none were as interesting, inexpensive, or hacker friendly as the Arcron. Not sure what model you have (contact me off-list). Here's a capture of a leap second by an Arcron Zeit. Via usenet (after email and the web, but before google and time-nuts, were invented): http://leapsecond.com/notes/ls-wwvb-97.htm /tvb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Alfille" <paul.alfille@gmail.com> To: <time@patoka.org>; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A Leap Second is coming > Is there a way in LH to test a clock against accurate internew time > (accurate to .5 seconds I guess)? > > I have the Arcron WWVB clock that is newly supported in LH and I'd like to > see when the leap second correction is made. > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Vlad <time@patoka.org> wrote: > >> >>> Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: >>> >>> http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace >>> >>> >> For those who using Linux, the following shell command verifies that the >> current 'timezone' file contains leap seconds and can be used with this >> directive >> >> # TZ=right/UTC date -d 'Dec 31 2016 23:59:60' >> >> Ideally, it MUST return "Sat Dec 31 23:59:60 UTC 2016". If 'timezone' file >> is not ready, the output will be "date: invalid date" >> >> >> My TBolt shows me the message that "LeapSeconf event pending". So, if I >> understand it right, I should see see it on LH 5.0 screen somehow. >> My lab NTP suppose to start slow down its clock 12 second before the event >> to match the time. >> Also I'll collecting the 'main' cycles to see what will happens during the >> 'jump'. >> >> -- >> WBW, >> >> V.P.
NS
Nick Sayer
Fri, Dec 30, 2016 7:49 PM

I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It should repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data?

Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data?

An old favorite:
www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

Perhaps they may be of use to someone?

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


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I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It *should* repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data? > > Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data? > > An old favorite: > www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c > ===================== > > Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: > > http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace > > Perhaps they may be of use to someone? > > Cheers, > David > -- > SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements > Web: http://www.satsignal.eu > Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk > Twitter: @gm8arv > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Azelio Boriani
Sat, Dec 31, 2016 12:30 AM

The leap second warning is present in the PTB clock too (Europe):
https://uhr.ptb.de/

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts
time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It should repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data?

Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data?

An old favorite:
www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

Perhaps they may be of use to someone?

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


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The leap second warning is present in the PTB clock too (Europe): <https://uhr.ptb.de/> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It *should* repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data? >> >> Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data? >> >> An old favorite: >> www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c >> ===================== >> >> Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: >> >> http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace >> >> Perhaps they may be of use to someone? >> >> Cheers, >> David >> -- >> SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements >> Web: http://www.satsignal.eu >> Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk >> Twitter: @gm8arv >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Philip Gladstone
Sat, Dec 31, 2016 4:56 AM

This is my clock (NTP synchronized) -- with a bit of luck, the second
hand will stop (for a second) at the appropriate instant (7PM Eastern).
I intend to catch it on video.

Unfortunately, this being an inexpensive clock, the plastic gears result
in the hands not aligning quite correctly (it depends on the force of
gravity). By the next leap second, I'll upgrade to a better clock.

Philip

On 30/12/2016 19:30, Azelio Boriani wrote:

The leap second warning is present in the PTB clock too (Europe):
https://uhr.ptb.de/

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts
time-nuts@febo.com  wrote:

I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It should repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylordavid-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk  wrote:

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data?

Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data?

An old favorite:
www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

Perhaps they may be of use to someone?

Cheers,
David

This is my clock (NTP synchronized) -- with a bit of luck, the second hand will stop (for a second) at the appropriate instant (7PM Eastern). I intend to catch it on video. Unfortunately, this being an inexpensive clock, the plastic gears result in the hands not aligning quite correctly (it depends on the force of gravity). By the next leap second, I'll upgrade to a better clock. Philip On 30/12/2016 19:30, Azelio Boriani wrote: > The leap second warning is present in the PTB clock too (Europe): > <https://uhr.ptb.de/> > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts > <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: >> I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It *should* repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data? >>> >>> Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data? >>> >>> An old favorite: >>> www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c >>> ===================== >>> >>> Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: >>> >>> http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace >>> >>> Perhaps they may be of use to someone? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> >>>
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Nick Sayer
Sun, Jan 1, 2017 3:08 AM

Here's what I got:

https://youtu.be/nGMFzhNFrb4

It worked as I expected. 4:00:00 PM was two seconds long.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It should repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data?

Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data?

An old favorite:
www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

Perhaps they may be of use to someone?

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


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Here's what I got: https://youtu.be/nGMFzhNFrb4 It worked as I expected. 4:00:00 PM was two seconds long. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > > I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It *should* repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the architecture. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data? >> >> Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data? >> >> An old favorite: >> www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c >> ===================== >> >> Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: >> >> http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace >> >> Perhaps they may be of use to someone? >> >> Cheers, >> David >> -- >> SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements >> Web: http://www.satsignal.eu >> Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk >> Twitter: @gm8arv >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Wannes Sels
Sun, Jan 1, 2017 6:37 AM

Here's mine on my Casio F-91W
http://imgur.com/yjbhXh6

On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 4:09 AM Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com
wrote:

Here's what I got:

https://youtu.be/nGMFzhNFrb4

It worked as I expected. 4:00:00 PM was two seconds long.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts <

I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It

should repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most
exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the
architecture.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor <

Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data?

Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data?

An old favorite:
www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c

Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event:

http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace

Perhaps they may be of use to someone?

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv


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Here's mine on my Casio F-91W http://imgur.com/yjbhXh6 On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 4:09 AM Nick Sayer via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > Here's what I got: > > https://youtu.be/nGMFzhNFrb4 > > It worked as I expected. 4:00:00 PM was two seconds long. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts < > time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > > > > I'm going to definitely observe my GPS clock to check its behavior. It > *should* repeat second zero (in my case of 4PM PST). Not the most > exactingly accurate depiction, but it's the best I can do with the > architecture. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:22 AM, David J Taylor < > david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> Is everybody setup to watch it and collect lots of data? > >> > >> Anybody have a list of tools/toys for collecting data? > >> > >> An old favorite: > >> www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c > >> ===================== > >> > >> Some tools here, to see which NTP servers are announcing the event: > >> > >> http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace > >> > >> Perhaps they may be of use to someone? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> David > >> -- > >> SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements > >> Web: http://www.satsignal.eu > >> Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk > >> Twitter: @gm8arv > >> _______________________________________________ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >> and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >