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HP-59309A Clock counts only seconds

JN
Jeremy Nichols
Sun, Apr 16, 2017 3:42 AM

Update: The 4011s arrived in good condition. The sockets arrived today
(I ordered a whole bunch with various numbers of machined pins as Tom
Miller recommended). All the sockets were of the "good" kind except for
the 14-pin sockets, which were the cheap kind in accord with Murphy's
Law. :-(

Pause while I get the right kind of 14-pin socket.

Jeremy

On 4/4/2017 11:52 AM, Jeremy Nichols wrote:

Thanks, everyone, for your inputs. I've ordered some NOS 4011s (made
by National Semi, mildly ironic since I used to work there) and some
supposedly round pin sockets (the reviews were mixed—some folks got
good stuff, some got junk).

I'll update the thread once I have everything here and installed.

Jeremy

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:01 PM Tom Miller <tmiller11147@verizon.net
mailto:tmiller11147@verizon.net> wrote:

 Also, you might install a high quality machined pin socket. Save the
 non-replaceable PC board.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David C. Partridge" <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk
 <mailto:david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk>>
 To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'"
 <time-nuts@febo.com <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com>>
 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 9:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-59309A Clock counts only seconds

You can get a brand new CD4011BE from pretty much most suppliers

 at about

15 cents that won't exhibit the problems of the earlier ones.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com

 <mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com>] On Behalf Of Jeremy

Nichols
Sent: 04 April 2017 00:44
To: time-nuts@febo.com mailto:time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] HP-59309A Clock counts only seconds

I have a new-to-me HP-59309A HP-IB Digital Clock. The clock

 works on both

the internal crystal oscillator and on an external 10 MHz standard
(GPSDO). However, it counts only to 60 seconds and then repeats

 without

updating the minutes digit. The TIME SET (FAST and SLOW)

 push-buttons work

but again, the count will not update minutes and hours, only

 seconds. The

DAY SET procedure works correctly for days and months. All the other
switches and buttons do what they are supposed to do. Using my

 10526T

logic pulser I can force the minutes and hours counters to work.
The power supply is in good condition (after replacement of a few
components) and I see no other problems (yet).

Tracing the clock signal through the logic circuitry brought me

 to U3 on

the A4 board. This (U3) is a 4011 quad 2-input NAND gate in a

 14-pin DIP

package. It "connects" the seconds counter to the minutes

 counter and

appears to have failed. One of the people on the email list
<hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com

 <mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com>> commented that the
 4000 series CMOS

chips have a known limited lifetime. Since these parts are no

 longer in

production, the writer expressed the concern that any parts I

 might find

to buy may be DOA.

Before I go hunting for parts, I'd appreciate hearing from

 anyone in the

group who has experience with the 59309A Clock and/or the

 4000-series CMOS

family. In particular, are there modern equivalents to my 4011

 chip? If

the 4000's really do have a limited lifetime I'd rather use a

 substitute.

Jeremy, N6WFO


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Update: The 4011s arrived in good condition. The sockets arrived today (I ordered a whole bunch with various numbers of machined pins as Tom Miller recommended). All the sockets were of the "good" kind except for the 14-pin sockets, which were the cheap kind in accord with Murphy's Law. :-( Pause while I get the right kind of 14-pin socket. Jeremy On 4/4/2017 11:52 AM, Jeremy Nichols wrote: > Thanks, everyone, for your inputs. I've ordered some NOS 4011s (made > by National Semi, mildly ironic since I used to work there) and some > supposedly round pin sockets (the reviews were mixed—some folks got > good stuff, some got junk). > > I'll update the thread once I have everything here and installed. > > Jeremy > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:01 PM Tom Miller <tmiller11147@verizon.net > <mailto:tmiller11147@verizon.net>> wrote: > > Also, you might install a high quality machined pin socket. Save the > non-replaceable PC board. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David C. Partridge" <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk > <mailto:david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk>> > To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" > <time-nuts@febo.com <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-59309A Clock counts only seconds > > > > You can get a brand new CD4011BE from pretty much most suppliers > at about > > 15 cents that won't exhibit the problems of the earlier ones. > > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com > <mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com>] On Behalf Of Jeremy > > Nichols > > Sent: 04 April 2017 00:44 > > To: time-nuts@febo.com <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com> > > Subject: [time-nuts] HP-59309A Clock counts only seconds > > > > I have a new-to-me HP-59309A HP-IB Digital Clock. The clock > works on both > > the internal crystal oscillator and on an external 10 MHz standard > > (GPSDO). However, it counts only to 60 seconds and then repeats > without > > updating the minutes digit. The TIME SET (FAST and SLOW) > push-buttons work > > but again, the count will not update minutes and hours, only > seconds. The > > DAY SET procedure works correctly for days and months. All the other > > switches and buttons do what they are supposed to do. Using my > 10526T > > logic pulser I can force the minutes and hours counters to work. > > The power supply is in good condition (after replacement of a few > > components) and I see no other problems (yet). > > > > Tracing the clock signal through the logic circuitry brought me > to U3 on > > the A4 board. This (U3) is a 4011 quad 2-input NAND gate in a > 14-pin DIP > > package. It "connects" the seconds counter to the minutes > counter and > > appears to have failed. One of the people on the email list > > <hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com>> commented that the > 4000 series CMOS > > chips have a known limited lifetime. Since these parts are no > longer in > > production, the writer expressed the concern that any parts I > might find > > to buy may be DOA. > > > > Before I go hunting for parts, I'd appreciate hearing from > anyone in the > > group who has experience with the 59309A Clock and/or the > 4000-series CMOS > > family. In particular, are there modern equivalents to my 4011 > chip? If > > the 4000's really do have a limited lifetime I'd rather use a > substitute. > > > > Jeremy, N6WFO > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com> To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com> > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com> > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile