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Looking for some Frequency Electronics info....

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Arthur Dent
Tue, Feb 20, 2018 4:35 AM

Some time ago bought one on Ebay for under $50 just because it looked
interesting. It isn't a prototype but most of the FEI units probably
had limited production. It seemed to be more complicated than I
expected it to be but if I understood it better it would make more
sense.

The 10Mhz board is enabled/disabled by the int/external switch. The
10Mhz output and EFC from this oscillator board are connected to the
interface board. I believe that these 2 boards and the switch/connector
on the back allow you to use the internal 10Mhz oscillator to output
10Mhz and send 10Mhz on (perhaps a connector marked J4) to a comparator
board. If I recall this part of the unit should work independant of
the other boards.

The comparator board is probably a PLL that compares its 10Mhz input
with its 100Mhz input and outputs an EFC voltage to the 100Mhz
oscillator. the 100MHz oscillator output goes to the amplifier board
with two 100Mhz outputs on the back panel. There is also a 100Mhz
signal that goes back to the PLL board so the 100Mhz is locked to
the 10Mhz oscillator or an external input (if I remember correctly).

There are also other wires that control the light and other stuff
but I didn't trace them out and my unit seems to work as intended.

Some time ago bought one on Ebay for under $50 just because it looked interesting. It isn't a prototype but most of the FEI units probably had limited production. It seemed to be more complicated than I expected it to be but if I understood it better it would make more sense. The 10Mhz board is enabled/disabled by the int/external switch. The 10Mhz output and EFC from this oscillator board are connected to the interface board. I believe that these 2 boards and the switch/connector on the back allow you to use the internal 10Mhz oscillator to output 10Mhz and send 10Mhz on (perhaps a connector marked J4) to a comparator board. If I recall this part of the unit should work independant of the other boards. The comparator board is probably a PLL that compares its 10Mhz input with its 100Mhz input and outputs an EFC voltage to the 100Mhz oscillator. the 100MHz oscillator output goes to the amplifier board with two 100Mhz outputs on the back panel. There is also a 100Mhz signal that goes back to the PLL board so the 100Mhz is locked to the 10Mhz oscillator or an external input (if I remember correctly). There are also other wires that control the light and other stuff but I didn't trace them out and my unit seems to work as intended.
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Richard Solomon
Tue, Feb 20, 2018 4:50 AM

There was one listed over on that auction site, it said best offer, so I made a low offer and it was accepted !!

Guess my offer was too high !!

Anyway, it has the Red Fault Light on, so it has issues too.

If anyone finds any info on it, I would appreciate getting it. If I find out anything about it, I will post it here.

Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ

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Subject: [time-nuts] Looking for some Frequency Electronics info....

Some time ago bought one on Ebay for under $50 just because it looked
interesting. It isn't a prototype but most of the FEI units probably
had limited production. It seemed to be more complicated than I
expected it to be but if I understood it better it would make more
sense.

The 10Mhz board is enabled/disabled by the int/external switch. The
10Mhz output and EFC from this oscillator board are connected to the
interface board. I believe that these 2 boards and the switch/connector
on the back allow you to use the internal 10Mhz oscillator to output
10Mhz and send 10Mhz on (perhaps a connector marked J4) to a comparator
board. If I recall this part of the unit should work independant of
the other boards.

The comparator board is probably a PLL that compares its 10Mhz input
with its 100Mhz input and outputs an EFC voltage to the 100Mhz
oscillator. the 100MHz oscillator output goes to the amplifier board
with two 100Mhz outputs on the back panel. There is also a 100Mhz
signal that goes back to the PLL board so the 100Mhz is locked to
the 10Mhz oscillator or an external input (if I remember correctly).

There are also other wires that control the light and other stuff
but I didn't trace them out and my unit seems to work as intended.


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There was one listed over on that auction site, it said best offer, so I made a low offer and it was accepted !! Guess my offer was too high !! Anyway, it has the Red Fault Light on, so it has issues too. If anyone finds any info on it, I would appreciate getting it. If I find out anything about it, I will post it here. Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: time-nuts <time-nuts-bounces@febo.com> on behalf of Arthur Dent <golgarfrincham@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:35:14 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Looking for some Frequency Electronics info.... Some time ago bought one on Ebay for under $50 just because it looked interesting. It isn't a prototype but most of the FEI units probably had limited production. It seemed to be more complicated than I expected it to be but if I understood it better it would make more sense. The 10Mhz board is enabled/disabled by the int/external switch. The 10Mhz output and EFC from this oscillator board are connected to the interface board. I believe that these 2 boards and the switch/connector on the back allow you to use the internal 10Mhz oscillator to output 10Mhz and send 10Mhz on (perhaps a connector marked J4) to a comparator board. If I recall this part of the unit should work independant of the other boards. The comparator board is probably a PLL that compares its 10Mhz input with its 100Mhz input and outputs an EFC voltage to the 100Mhz oscillator. the 100MHz oscillator output goes to the amplifier board with two 100Mhz outputs on the back panel. There is also a 100Mhz signal that goes back to the PLL board so the 100Mhz is locked to the 10Mhz oscillator or an external input (if I remember correctly). There are also other wires that control the light and other stuff but I didn't trace them out and my unit seems to work as intended. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Bob kb8tq
Tue, Feb 20, 2018 1:18 PM

Hi

If it works like the unit that replaced it, it has a level detect on the external
input that rejects signals below some threshold. It either locks up to the internal
standard or to the external input. All of the outputs are in the 7 to 13 dim range
when operating.

The fault circuit looks at the OCXO warmup indicators as well as things like
PLL out of range to pop the fault light. It should have timers to qualify all of
this stuff.

There also may be an option to pass the external standard through to the
low frequency output connector ( = no PLL on the low frequency). It depends
a bit on which application it was going into.

Bob

On Feb 19, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Arthur Dent golgarfrincham@gmail.com wrote:

Some time ago bought one on Ebay for under $50 just because it looked
interesting. It isn't a prototype but most of the FEI units probably
had limited production. It seemed to be more complicated than I
expected it to be but if I understood it better it would make more
sense.

The 10Mhz board is enabled/disabled by the int/external switch. The
10Mhz output and EFC from this oscillator board are connected to the
interface board. I believe that these 2 boards and the switch/connector
on the back allow you to use the internal 10Mhz oscillator to output
10Mhz and send 10Mhz on (perhaps a connector marked J4) to a comparator
board. If I recall this part of the unit should work independant of
the other boards.

The comparator board is probably a PLL that compares its 10Mhz input
with its 100Mhz input and outputs an EFC voltage to the 100Mhz
oscillator. the 100MHz oscillator output goes to the amplifier board
with two 100Mhz outputs on the back panel. There is also a 100Mhz
signal that goes back to the PLL board so the 100Mhz is locked to
the 10Mhz oscillator or an external input (if I remember correctly).

There are also other wires that control the light and other stuff
but I didn't trace them out and my unit seems to work as intended.


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Hi If it works like the unit that replaced it, it has a level detect on the external input that rejects signals below some threshold. It either locks up to the internal standard or to the external input. All of the outputs are in the 7 to 13 dim range when operating. The fault circuit looks at the OCXO warmup indicators as well as things like PLL out of range to pop the fault light. It should have timers to qualify all of this stuff. There also *may* be an option to pass the external standard through to the low frequency output connector ( = no PLL on the low frequency). It depends a bit on which application it was going into. Bob > On Feb 19, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Arthur Dent <golgarfrincham@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some time ago bought one on Ebay for under $50 just because it looked > interesting. It isn't a prototype but most of the FEI units probably > had limited production. It seemed to be more complicated than I > expected it to be but if I understood it better it would make more > sense. > > The 10Mhz board is enabled/disabled by the int/external switch. The > 10Mhz output and EFC from this oscillator board are connected to the > interface board. I believe that these 2 boards and the switch/connector > on the back allow you to use the internal 10Mhz oscillator to output > 10Mhz and send 10Mhz on (perhaps a connector marked J4) to a comparator > board. If I recall this part of the unit should work independant of > the other boards. > > The comparator board is probably a PLL that compares its 10Mhz input > with its 100Mhz input and outputs an EFC voltage to the 100Mhz > oscillator. the 100MHz oscillator output goes to the amplifier board > with two 100Mhz outputs on the back panel. There is also a 100Mhz > signal that goes back to the PLL board so the 100Mhz is locked to > the 10Mhz oscillator or an external input (if I remember correctly). > > There are also other wires that control the light and other stuff > but I didn't trace them out and my unit seems to work as intended. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.