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Bricked Garmin GPS 18x LVC

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Anthony Dunne
Sat, Feb 23, 2019 8:41 AM

Hi everyone

I am hoping someone will have some information on how to unbrick a Garmin GPS 18x LVC?

I was trying to rollback the firmware on the unit because I was experiencing similar issues to what is described here:
https://satsignal.eu/ntp/Garmin-GSP18x-LVC-firmware-issue.htm

The unit kept randomly dropping the configuration I set up on it.

I could see no way to rollback the firmware from the current 4.00 to 3.90, so I renamed the 3.90 firmware to make it 4.10 (bad idea I hear you say).

All seemed to go well with it erasing the previous firmware and installing the "new" firmware, but now I think I have bricked the unit as I am getting no response at all.

Is there any way that you know of to reset the unit, perhaps by connecting two pins or something similar?

Thank-you

Anthony
New South Wales
Australia

Hi everyone I am hoping someone will have some information on how to unbrick a Garmin GPS 18x LVC? I was trying to rollback the firmware on the unit because I was experiencing similar issues to what is described here: https://satsignal.eu/ntp/Garmin-GSP18x-LVC-firmware-issue.htm The unit kept randomly dropping the configuration I set up on it. I could see no way to rollback the firmware from the current 4.00 to 3.90, so I renamed the 3.90 firmware to make it 4.10 (bad idea I hear you say). All seemed to go well with it erasing the previous firmware and installing the "new" firmware, but now I think I have bricked the unit as I am getting no response at all. Is there any way that you know of to reset the unit, perhaps by connecting two pins or something similar? Thank-you Anthony New South Wales Australia
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Mike Cook
Sat, Feb 23, 2019 2:02 PM

Hi,
I don’t know if you saw, but on the same page it is mentioned that it may un-brick itself after being left powered off for a long time - weeks.
Hope you get it back.

Le 23 févr. 2019 à 09:41, Anthony Dunne agdunne@hotmail.com a écrit :

Hi everyone

I am hoping someone will have some information on how to unbrick a Garmin GPS 18x LVC?

I was trying to rollback the firmware on the unit because I was experiencing similar issues to what is described here:
https://satsignal.eu/ntp/Garmin-GSP18x-LVC-firmware-issue.htm

The unit kept randomly dropping the configuration I set up on it.

I could see no way to rollback the firmware from the current 4.00 to 3.90, so I renamed the 3.90 firmware to make it 4.10 (bad idea I hear you say).

All seemed to go well with it erasing the previous firmware and installing the "new" firmware, but now I think I have bricked the unit as I am getting no response at all.

Is there any way that you know of to reset the unit, perhaps by connecting two pins or something similar?

Thank-you

Anthony
New South Wales
Australia


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Hi, I don’t know if you saw, but on the same page it is mentioned that it may un-brick itself after being left powered off for a long time - weeks. Hope you get it back. > Le 23 févr. 2019 à 09:41, Anthony Dunne <agdunne@hotmail.com> a écrit : > > Hi everyone > > I am hoping someone will have some information on how to unbrick a Garmin GPS 18x LVC? > > I was trying to rollback the firmware on the unit because I was experiencing similar issues to what is described here: > https://satsignal.eu/ntp/Garmin-GSP18x-LVC-firmware-issue.htm > > The unit kept randomly dropping the configuration I set up on it. > > I could see no way to rollback the firmware from the current 4.00 to 3.90, so I renamed the 3.90 firmware to make it 4.10 (bad idea I hear you say). > > All seemed to go well with it erasing the previous firmware and installing the "new" firmware, but now I think I have bricked the unit as I am getting no response at all. > > Is there any way that you know of to reset the unit, perhaps by connecting two pins or something similar? > > Thank-you > > > > Anthony > New South Wales > Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. I am not a a vegetarian because I love animals. I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.
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Anthony Dunne
Wed, May 29, 2019 3:28 AM

Hi Everyone

I am hoping one of you may be able to help with a specific problem?

Some time ago, I purchased the excellent LeoNTP time server available here:- https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_70&product_id=92

It serves network time via NTP over Ethernet primarily but it also has PPS/1Mhz/10Mhz via a female BNC connector on the rear.

I would like to connect the BNC output to a DB9 Serial input (female) on a machine running FreeBSD (pfSense) to provide PPS reference/accuracy to the NTPD running there.

Firstly would this work?

Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out.

I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is the ground. Is this correct?

Could I use a cable such as this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL4CAD.pdf

even though pin five is not connected or would I need to use something like this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL5CAD.pdf

and make sure the pin 5/plug 5 is grounded in some way?

Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal?

Sorry if this is vague but I would really appreciate some help on this :)

Thank-you in advance

Anthony
New South Wales
Australia

Hi Everyone I am hoping one of you may be able to help with a specific problem? Some time ago, I purchased the excellent LeoNTP time server available here:- https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_70&product_id=92 It serves network time via NTP over Ethernet primarily but it also has PPS/1Mhz/10Mhz via a female BNC connector on the rear. I would like to connect the BNC output to a DB9 Serial input (female) on a machine running FreeBSD (pfSense) to provide PPS reference/accuracy to the NTPD running there. Firstly would this work? Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out. I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is the ground. Is this correct? Could I use a cable such as this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL4CAD.pdf even though pin five is not connected or would I need to use something like this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL5CAD.pdf and make sure the pin 5/plug 5 is grounded in some way? Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal? Sorry if this is vague but I would really appreciate some help on this :) Thank-you in advance Anthony New South Wales Australia
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tom burkart
Wed, May 29, 2019 5:18 AM

Quoting Anthony Dunne agdunne@hotmail.com:

Firstly would this work?

Yes.

Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out.
I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is
the ground. Is this correct?

Yes.

Could I use a cable such as this:-

No.

Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal?

No, you really need a level shifting stage that converts the PPS to
RS232 levels.

Tom

Quoting Anthony Dunne <agdunne@hotmail.com>: > Firstly would this work? Yes. > Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out. > I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is > the ground. Is this correct? Yes. > Could I use a cable such as this:- No. > Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal? No, you really need a level shifting stage that converts the PPS to RS232 levels. Tom
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Brent Gordon
Wed, May 29, 2019 5:35 AM

Hello Anthony,

Those cables will NOT work.  The BNC connectors are 75 Ohms, which will
damage the 50 Ohm connector on the server.

Yes, pin1 is DCD.  You might need level shifting, but probably not.

For the cable, just buy a cheap BNC cable and a DE-9 (sometimes
erroneously called DB-9) connector.  Cut one end off of the cable, strip
the outer jacket back a couple of centimeters, unravel then twist the
braid, strip the white insulation back about 2 millimeters, and put some
heat shrink on the braid so about 2 mm is showing.  Solder the center
conductor to pin one and the braid to pin five.  Put a hood or some tape
over the connector and you're done.

Brent

On 5/28/2019 9:28 PM, Anthony Dunne wrote:

Hi Everyone

I am hoping one of you may be able to help with a specific problem?

Some time ago, I purchased the excellent LeoNTP time server available here:- https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_70&product_id=92

It serves network time via NTP over Ethernet primarily but it also has PPS/1Mhz/10Mhz via a female BNC connector on the rear.

I would like to connect the BNC output to a DB9 Serial input (female) on a machine running FreeBSD (pfSense) to provide PPS reference/accuracy to the NTPD running there.

Firstly would this work?

Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out.

I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is the ground. Is this correct?

Could I use a cable such as this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL4CAD.pdf

even though pin five is not connected or would I need to use something like this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL5CAD.pdf

and make sure the pin 5/plug 5 is grounded in some way?

Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal?

Sorry if this is vague but I would really appreciate some help on this :)

Thank-you in advance

Anthony
New South Wales
Australia


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Hello Anthony, Those cables will NOT work.  The BNC connectors are 75 Ohms, which will damage the 50 Ohm connector on the server. Yes, pin1 is DCD.  You might need level shifting, but probably not. For the cable, just buy a cheap BNC cable and a DE-9 (sometimes erroneously called DB-9) connector.  Cut one end off of the cable, strip the outer jacket back a couple of centimeters, unravel then twist the braid, strip the white insulation back about 2 millimeters, and put some heat shrink on the braid so about 2 mm is showing.  Solder the center conductor to pin one and the braid to pin five.  Put a hood or some tape over the connector and you're done. Brent On 5/28/2019 9:28 PM, Anthony Dunne wrote: > Hi Everyone > > I am hoping one of you may be able to help with a specific problem? > > Some time ago, I purchased the excellent LeoNTP time server available here:- https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_70&product_id=92 > > It serves network time via NTP over Ethernet primarily but it also has PPS/1Mhz/10Mhz via a female BNC connector on the rear. > > I would like to connect the BNC output to a DB9 Serial input (female) on a machine running FreeBSD (pfSense) to provide PPS reference/accuracy to the NTPD running there. > > Firstly would this work? > > Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out. > > I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is the ground. Is this correct? > > Could I use a cable such as this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL4CAD.pdf > > even though pin five is not connected or would I need to use something like this:- http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/eng_drawings/CTL5CAD.pdf > > and make sure the pin 5/plug 5 is grounded in some way? > > Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal? > > Sorry if this is vague but I would really appreciate some help on this :) > > Thank-you in advance > > > > Anthony > New South Wales > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >
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Mike Cook
Wed, May 29, 2019 7:17 AM

I don’t have one of these but I wouldn’t connect anything to anything without knowing the specs.

I went to their site but could not find any specs on the outputs on the BNC connector. I should mail them at orders@uputronics.com for the details.

It could be a simple BNC to DB9 soldering job.  But there is something else to consider.
What happens when there is a power cycle?
Does the LeoNTP BNC output come up in the last configured state? Does it come up in OFF mode or with 10MHz? I doubt that your BSD box would appreciate 10Mhz.

Le 29 mai 2019 à 07:18, tom burkart tom@aussec.com a écrit :

Quoting Anthony Dunne agdunne@hotmail.com:

Firstly would this work?

Yes.

Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out.
I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is the ground. Is this correct?

Yes.

Could I use a cable such as this:-

No.

Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal?

No, you really need a level shifting stage that converts the PPS to RS232 levels.

Tom


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I don’t have one of these but I wouldn’t connect anything to anything without knowing the specs. I went to their site but could not find any specs on the outputs on the BNC connector. I should mail them at orders@uputronics.com for the details. It could be a simple BNC to DB9 soldering job. But there is something else to consider. What happens when there is a power cycle? Does the LeoNTP BNC output come up in the last configured state? Does it come up in OFF mode or with 10MHz? I doubt that your BSD box would appreciate 10Mhz. > Le 29 mai 2019 à 07:18, tom burkart <tom@aussec.com> a écrit : > > Quoting Anthony Dunne <agdunne@hotmail.com>: > >> Firstly would this work? > Yes. > >> Secondly, my dilemma is the pin-out. >> I believe on the DB9 pin 1 is DCD (the actual pulse) and pin 5 is the ground. Is this correct? > Yes. > >> Could I use a cable such as this:- > No. > >> Alternatively, is there a simpler way to achieve the goal? > No, you really need a level shifting stage that converts the PPS to RS232 levels. > > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. "Ceux qui sont prêts à abandonner une liberté essentielle pour obtenir une petite et provisoire sécurité, ne méritent ni liberté ni sécurité." Benjimin Franklin