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Skip Withrow

Sun, Feb 25, 2018 11:52 PM

Hello Time-Nuts,

For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a
lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few
years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and
crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that
secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch).

So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the
WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months
ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a
miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off.

I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a
procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after
syncing to WWVB all was good.

Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again.
However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds
off. Ahrg!

It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute
hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks.
The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your
watch against a trusted source often).

Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital
watch to get rid of the problem.

Regards,
Skip Withrow

Hello Time-Nuts, For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch). So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off. I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after syncing to WWVB all was good. Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again. However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds off. Ahrg! It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks. The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your watch against a trusted source often). Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital watch to get rid of the problem. Regards, Skip Withrow

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Tim Shoppa

Mon, Feb 26, 2018 1:17 AM

I had the black plastic digital LCD (no hands) waveceptor for 5+ years and
my only complaint about it was the short life of the Casio watch bands and
replacements which rarely lasted longer than a year.

3 years ago I upgraded to a Solar-powered Waveceptor WVA-640 with a metal
band and am very happy with it. It syncs to WWVB every morning 1-3AM all
the way out here on East Coast, and I have never observed it being off by a
fraction of a second during the day.

I have had other (Seiko) watch-hand watches that I had to do the
jiggling-the-hand-stepper-motor-to-be-in-sync thing - but only after
exposure to very close AC magnetic fields. Being within a few feet of large
multi-thousand-amp transformer windings, or just inches of a magnetic tape
degausser, can drive any analog hand watch bonkers, not just the stepper
motor ones. Skip, is it possible that your hand alignment problems are
because you were working near large AC or pulsing DC currents?

Tim N3QE

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 6:52 PM, Skip Withrow skip.withrow@gmail.com
wrote:

Hello Time-Nuts,

For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a
lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few
years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and
crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that
secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch).

So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the
WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months
ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a
miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off.

I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a
procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after
syncing to WWVB all was good.

Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again.
However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds
off. Ahrg!

It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute
hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks.
The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your
watch against a trusted source often).

Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital
watch to get rid of the problem.

Regards,
Skip Withrow

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I had the black plastic digital LCD (no hands) waveceptor for 5+ years and my only complaint about it was the short life of the Casio watch bands and replacements which rarely lasted longer than a year. 3 years ago I upgraded to a Solar-powered Waveceptor WVA-640 with a metal band and am very happy with it. It syncs to WWVB every morning 1-3AM all the way out here on East Coast, and I have never observed it being off by a fraction of a second during the day. I have had other (Seiko) watch-hand watches that I had to do the jiggling-the-hand-stepper-motor-to-be-in-sync thing - but only after exposure to very close AC magnetic fields. Being within a few feet of large multi-thousand-amp transformer windings, or just inches of a magnetic tape degausser, can drive any analog hand watch bonkers, not just the stepper motor ones. Skip, is it possible that your hand alignment problems are because you were working near large AC or pulsing DC currents? Tim N3QE On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 6:52 PM, Skip Withrow <skip.withrow@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Time-Nuts, > > For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a > lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few > years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and > crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that > secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch). > > So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the > WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months > ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a > miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off. > > I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a > procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after > syncing to WWVB all was good. > > Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again. > However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds > off. Ahrg! > > It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute > hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks. > The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your > watch against a trusted source often). > > Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital > watch to get rid of the problem. > > Regards, > Skip Withrow > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

BK

Bob kb8tq

Mon, Feb 26, 2018 1:30 AM

Hi

I’ve had the Citizen “Atomic” analog watches for quite a few years. The solar powered
versions have gotten a bit better over the years. They nave never had a “hand slip”
problem that I have noticed.

Bob

On Feb 25, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Skip Withrow skip.withrow@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Time-Nuts,

For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a
lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few
years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and
crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that
secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch).

So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the
WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months
ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a
miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off.

I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a
procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after
syncing to WWVB all was good.

Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again.
However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds
off. Ahrg!

It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute
hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks.
The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your
watch against a trusted source often).

Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital
watch to get rid of the problem.

Regards,
Skip Withrow

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Hi I’ve had the Citizen “Atomic” analog watches for quite a few years. The solar powered versions have gotten a bit better over the years. They nave never had a “hand slip” problem that I have noticed. Bob > On Feb 25, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Skip Withrow <skip.withrow@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Time-Nuts, > > For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a > lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few > years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and > crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that > secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch). > > So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the > WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months > ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a > miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off. > > I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a > procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after > syncing to WWVB all was good. > > Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again. > However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds > off. Ahrg! > > It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute > hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks. > The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your > watch against a trusted source often). > > Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital > watch to get rid of the problem. > > Regards, > Skip Withrow > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

TK

Tom Knox

Mon, Feb 26, 2018 2:32 AM

Hi All;

I have has a Citizen as well and it has been bullet proof skiing, cycling and such well over five years. I did a quick search because when I purchased it was really pricey but a quick search and Zales has what appears the exact model:

Analog Citizen Eco-Drive® Skyhawk Atomic Titanium Solar 200M Flight Chronograph Watch (Model: JY0010-50E) $233 shipped. I know that is a bit more expensive but it is amazing.

Cheers;

Thomas Knox

From: time-nuts time-nuts-bounces@febo.com on behalf of Bob kb8tq kb8tq@n1k.org
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 6:30 PM
To: swithrow@alum.mit.edu; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Beware the Casio WaveCeptor analog watch

Hi

I’ve had the Citizen “Atomic” analog watches for quite a few years. The solar powered
versions have gotten a bit better over the years. They nave never had a “hand slip”
problem that I have noticed.

Bob

On Feb 25, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Skip Withrow skip.withrow@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Time-Nuts,

For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a
lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few
years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and
crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that
secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch).

So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the
WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months
ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a
miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off.

I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a
procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after
syncing to WWVB all was good.

Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again.
However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds
off. Ahrg!

It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute
hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks.
The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your
watch against a trusted source often).

Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital
watch to get rid of the problem.

Regards,
Skip Withrow

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Hi All; I have has a Citizen as well and it has been bullet proof skiing, cycling and such well over five years. I did a quick search because when I purchased it was really pricey but a quick search and Zales has what appears the exact model: Analog Citizen Eco-Drive® Skyhawk Atomic Titanium Solar 200M Flight Chronograph Watch (Model: JY0010-50E) $233 shipped. I know that is a bit more expensive but it is amazing. Cheers; Thomas Knox ________________________________ From: time-nuts <time-nuts-bounces@febo.com> on behalf of Bob kb8tq <kb8tq@n1k.org> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 6:30 PM To: swithrow@alum.mit.edu; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Beware the Casio WaveCeptor analog watch Hi I’ve had the Citizen “Atomic” analog watches for quite a few years. The solar powered versions have gotten a bit better over the years. They nave never had a “hand slip” problem that I have noticed. Bob > On Feb 25, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Skip Withrow <skip.withrow@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Time-Nuts, > > For many years I owned a Casio WaveCeptor digital watch and like it a > lot. The down side was that the battery had to be replaced every few > years. And since I had worn it for many years, the plastic case and > crystal had taken quite a beating. Finally, the pin holder that > secures the band broke - end of watch (except as a 'pocket' watch). > > So, I went out and bought a solar powered analog version of the > WaveCeptor (and vowed not to take it caving). However, several months > ago I needed to take an action at an exact time (not ebay) which was a > miserable fail. I found that the watch was over a minute off. > > I went back and explored the watch manual and found that there is a > procedure to sync the minute and second hands. I did this and after > syncing to WWVB all was good. > > Now, a couple of months later I needed the precise time again. > However I checked my watch before hand and found that it was 8 seconds > off. Ahrg! > > It appears that the stepper motor position of the second and minute > hands can be jarred out of sync with normal wear bumps and shocks. > The trouble is you don't know when it happens (unless you check your > watch against a trusted source often). > > Now I'm seriously considering buying a solar version of the digital > watch to get rid of the problem. > > Regards, > Skip Withrow > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts time-nuts Info Page - American Febo Enterprises<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> www.febo.com time-nuts is a low volume, high SNR list for the discussion of precise time and frequency measurement and related topics. To see the collection of prior postings to ... > and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts time-nuts Info Page - American Febo Enterprises<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> www.febo.com time-nuts is a low volume, high SNR list for the discussion of precise time and frequency measurement and related topics. To see the collection of prior postings to ... and follow the instructions there.

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