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Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A OCXO manual trimming

JH
Joe Hobart
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 4:21 PM

Thank you, Hal, for these links and to others for your comments.

Setting the oven temperature on a turning point appears tedious.  Perhaps there
is enough range in the frequency adjustment to put the oscillator back on
frequency - or close enough for the EFC to be effective.  If not, I may have to
adjust the temperature, but time is limited.

Some measurements with the EFC disconnected and a calibrated frequency counter:

 9999.815  KHz  at Z3801A turn on

 9999.9984 KHz  highest frequency seen (temperature overshoot)

 9999.9947 KHz  approximate final frequency

The EFC does have wide range; it can almost pull the 5.3 Hz offset onto frequency.

Thanks again,
Joe, W7LUX

Does the oscillator have an adjustment?  If so, is this somewhat accessible
without destroying the assembly?  Are there pictures of the oscillator
assembly?

Thank you, Hal, for these links and to others for your comments. Setting the oven temperature on a turning point appears tedious. Perhaps there is enough range in the frequency adjustment to put the oscillator back on frequency - or close enough for the EFC to be effective. If not, I may have to adjust the temperature, but time is limited. Some measurements with the EFC disconnected and a calibrated frequency counter: 9999.815 KHz at Z3801A turn on 9999.9984 KHz highest frequency seen (temperature overshoot) 9999.9947 KHz approximate final frequency The EFC does have wide range; it can almost pull the 5.3 Hz offset onto frequency. Thanks again, Joe, W7LUX > Does the oscillator have an adjustment? If so, is this somewhat accessible > without destroying the assembly? Are there pictures of the oscillator > assembly? https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm https://www.realhamradio.com/z3801a-turning-point.htm
PS
paul swed
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 8:56 PM

Crazy thought.Could you just force a DC offset into the EFC assuming the
internal varicap is not out of range.
It would be simply adding a resistor to pull up or down to see if you can
get a bit of pull and allow the dac to move back in range a bit. Its a band
aid.
I know its sort of crazy. But ripping the oven apart really is no fun at
all.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Joe Hobart nova@npgcable.com wrote:

Thank you, Hal, for these links and to others for your comments.

Setting the oven temperature on a turning point appears tedious.  Perhaps
there
is enough range in the frequency adjustment to put the oscillator back on
frequency - or close enough for the EFC to be effective.  If not, I may
have to
adjust the temperature, but time is limited.

Some measurements with the EFC disconnected and a calibrated frequency
counter:

  9999.815  KHz  at Z3801A turn on

  9999.9984 KHz  highest frequency seen (temperature overshoot)

  9999.9947 KHz  approximate final frequency

The EFC does have wide range; it can almost pull the 5.3 Hz offset onto
frequency.

Thanks again,
Joe, W7LUX

Does the oscillator have an adjustment?  If so, is this somewhat

accessible

without destroying the assembly?  Are there pictures of the oscillator
assembly?

https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm

https://www.realhamradio.com/z3801a-turning-point.htm


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Crazy thought.Could you just force a DC offset into the EFC assuming the internal varicap is not out of range. It would be simply adding a resistor to pull up or down to see if you can get a bit of pull and allow the dac to move back in range a bit. Its a band aid. I know its sort of crazy. But ripping the oven apart really is no fun at all. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Joe Hobart <nova@npgcable.com> wrote: > > Thank you, Hal, for these links and to others for your comments. > > Setting the oven temperature on a turning point appears tedious. Perhaps > there > is enough range in the frequency adjustment to put the oscillator back on > frequency - or close enough for the EFC to be effective. If not, I may > have to > adjust the temperature, but time is limited. > > Some measurements with the EFC disconnected and a calibrated frequency > counter: > > 9999.815 KHz at Z3801A turn on > > 9999.9984 KHz highest frequency seen (temperature overshoot) > > 9999.9947 KHz approximate final frequency > > The EFC does have wide range; it can almost pull the 5.3 Hz offset onto > frequency. > > Thanks again, > Joe, W7LUX > > > > Does the oscillator have an adjustment? If so, is this somewhat > accessible > > without destroying the assembly? Are there pictures of the oscillator > > assembly? > > https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm > > https://www.realhamradio.com/z3801a-turning-point.htm > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
BK
Bob kb8tq
Mon, Mar 5, 2018 9:13 PM

Hi

Either tear into the OCXO or go shopping for a new(er) GPSDO. The
Z38xx devices all had a lot more in common with each other than they
did differences. The OCXO design changed from the 10811 to various
more modern designs. The disciplining process seems to have remained
pretty much the same over the years.

Bob

On Mar 5, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Joe Hobart nova@npgcable.com wrote:

Thank you, Hal, for these links and to others for your comments.

Setting the oven temperature on a turning point appears tedious.  Perhaps there
is enough range in the frequency adjustment to put the oscillator back on
frequency - or close enough for the EFC to be effective.  If not, I may have to
adjust the temperature, but time is limited.

Some measurements with the EFC disconnected and a calibrated frequency counter:

 9999.815  KHz  at Z3801A turn on

 9999.9984 KHz  highest frequency seen (temperature overshoot)

 9999.9947 KHz  approximate final frequency

The EFC does have wide range; it can almost pull the 5.3 Hz offset onto frequency.

Thanks again,
Joe, W7LUX

Does the oscillator have an adjustment?  If so, is this somewhat accessible
without destroying the assembly?  Are there pictures of the oscillator
assembly?

Hi Either tear into the OCXO or go shopping for a new(er) GPSDO. The Z38xx devices all had a lot more in common with each other than they did differences. The OCXO design changed from the 10811 to various more modern designs. The disciplining process seems to have remained pretty much the same over the years. Bob > On Mar 5, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Joe Hobart <nova@npgcable.com> wrote: > > > Thank you, Hal, for these links and to others for your comments. > > Setting the oven temperature on a turning point appears tedious. Perhaps there > is enough range in the frequency adjustment to put the oscillator back on > frequency - or close enough for the EFC to be effective. If not, I may have to > adjust the temperature, but time is limited. > > Some measurements with the EFC disconnected and a calibrated frequency counter: > > 9999.815 KHz at Z3801A turn on > > 9999.9984 KHz highest frequency seen (temperature overshoot) > > 9999.9947 KHz approximate final frequency > > The EFC does have wide range; it can almost pull the 5.3 Hz offset onto frequency. > > Thanks again, > Joe, W7LUX > > >> Does the oscillator have an adjustment? If so, is this somewhat accessible >> without destroying the assembly? Are there pictures of the oscillator >> assembly? > > https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm > > https://www.realhamradio.com/z3801a-turning-point.htm > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.