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Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: interest in a four-output, ultra-low jitter, synthesizer block?

HM
Hal Murray
Thu, Jan 25, 2018 9:18 PM

I'm sure you know the 1.8V supply regulators should not be fed from VDDA
(3.3V), but I'll mention it anyway.

Why not?

That sounds like the sort of issue I should understand but I'm coming up
blank.

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lajeunesse@mail.com said: > I'm sure you know the 1.8V supply regulators should not be fed from VDDA > (3.3V), but I'll mention it anyway. Why not? That sounds like the sort of issue I should understand but I'm coming up blank. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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Robert LaJeunesse
Thu, Jan 25, 2018 9:31 PM

The problem comes if the load current on the 1.8V regulator sees significant ups and downs. Think output regulator in particular. Might also happen with the digital core if major rollovers align and the core spikes. Those current changes get spread (admittedly reduced, too) by the bypass caps, resulting in noticeable load changes on the VDDA regulator. Any non-zero output impedance and the digital load changes enter back in as noise on what should be the quiet VDDA.

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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: interest in a four-output, ultra-low  jitter, synthesizer block?

lajeunesse@mail.com said:

I'm sure you know the 1.8V supply regulators should not be fed from VDDA
(3.3V), but I'll mention it anyway.

Why not?

That sounds like the sort of issue I should understand but I'm coming up
blank.

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The problem comes if the load current on the 1.8V regulator sees significant ups and downs. Think output regulator in particular. Might also happen with the digital core if major rollovers align and the core spikes. Those current changes get spread (admittedly reduced, too) by the bypass caps, resulting in noticeable load changes on the VDDA regulator. Any non-zero output impedance and the digital load changes enter back in as noise on what should be the quiet VDDA. > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 4:18 PM > From: "Hal Murray" <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> > Cc: hmurray@megapathdsl.net > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: interest in a four-output, ultra-low jitter, synthesizer block? > > > lajeunesse@mail.com said: > > I'm sure you know the 1.8V supply regulators should not be fed from VDDA > > (3.3V), but I'll mention it anyway. > > Why not? > > That sounds like the sort of issue I should understand but I'm coming up > blank. > > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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jimlux
Thu, Jan 25, 2018 10:01 PM

On 1/25/18 1:18 PM, Hal Murray wrote:

I'm sure you know the 1.8V supply regulators should not be fed from VDDA
(3.3V), but I'll mention it anyway.

usually, it's so that noise coupled back from the part doesn't back in
through the 1.8V.

If you have a (say) 5V supply and you generate 3.3Vdd with one regulator
and 1.8V with another regulator, you (should) have better isolation.
Trees rather than cascades.

Why not?

That sounds like the sort of issue I should understand but I'm coming up
blank.

On 1/25/18 1:18 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > lajeunesse@mail.com said: >> I'm sure you know the 1.8V supply regulators should not be fed from VDDA >> (3.3V), but I'll mention it anyway. usually, it's so that noise coupled back from the part doesn't back in through the 1.8V. If you have a (say) 5V supply and you generate 3.3Vdd with one regulator and 1.8V with another regulator, you (should) have better isolation. Trees rather than cascades. > > Why not? > > That sounds like the sort of issue I should understand but I'm coming up > blank. > >