What's the best Windows 10 ntp client?
At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there, so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software to run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
Someone installed "Dimension 4"
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which I believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4 hours per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have thought using multiple servers being better than one.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Dave.
Le 2 sept. 2016 à 08:29, Dr. David Kirkby drkirkby@gmail.com a écrit :
At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there, so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software to run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
Someone installed "Dimension 4"
Using inbuilt server lists is not too good an idea .
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which I believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4 hours per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have thought using multiple servers being better than one.
I see no reason not to run a normal NTP client such as that of Meinberg. You can configure the daemon to allow a large step at start up and as many known good servers to access as you want (try the pool also ). You will have a reasonably good time available in a few minutes that can be monitored with Meinberg’s monitor app. If the windows PC has CPU power saving options, have them disabled.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Dave.
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At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a
Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there,
so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software to
run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
Someone installed "Dimension 4"
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which I
believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4 hours
per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have thought
using multiple servers being better than one.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Dave.
Why not use the reference implementation - here for Windows:
http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html
Works with the NTP Pool selecting multiple servers. For modes requiring
better than 0.1 seconds accuracy consider adding a GPS/PPS to the PC.
Performance available with NTP:
http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php#windows-stratum-1
73,
David GM8ARV
SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv
https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm
It uses NTP and you can set the servers you like in its (typically) C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\etc \ntp.conf
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] What's the best Windows 10 ntp client?
At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there, so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software to run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
Someone installed "Dimension 4"
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which I believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4 hours per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have thought using multiple servers being better than one.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Dave.
Why not use the reference implementation - here for Windows:
http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html
Works with the NTP Pool selecting multiple servers. For modes requiring better than 0.1 seconds accuracy consider adding a GPS/PPS to the PC.
Performance available with NTP:
http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php#windows-stratum-1
73,
David GM8ARV
SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
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From: STR .
https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm
It uses NTP and you can set the servers you like in its (typically)
C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\etc \ntp.conf
As I mention here:
http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html
it is suggested that the program be installed outside the Program Files tree
so that user edits to ntp.conf don't fall into the Windows directory
virtualisation trap - "I edited the file but nothing changed". No need for
admin-level access.
Cheers,
David
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Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there, so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software to run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
It depends on the accuracy requirements you have. Getting high accuracy
under Windows can be pretty tricky.
Some days ago tvb asked me off-list about details on timekeeping under
different Windows versions, and I've put some information together here:
https://www.meinbergglobal.com/download/burnicki/time_synchronization_accuracy_with_ntp.pdf
I've also put some measurement results together, which you can find here:
https://www.meinbergglobal.com/download/burnickintp_and_windows_history.pdf
These articles are PDF exports from Meinberg-internal wiki pages, so
they may not be particularly well formatted. Sorry for that.
I've never tried this.
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which I believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4 hours per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have thought using multiple servers being better than one.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Again, it depends on the accuracy requirements you have. The NTP daemon
(ntpd) from ntp.org has been designed for long-term operation. It tries
to determine the clock drift of the local computer, and compensate it.
The Windows port also includes a couple of workarounds for limitations
in the Windows kernel, and IMO yields very good results under the given
conditions.
Martin
NTP Time Server Monitor by Meinberg.
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389
On 9/2/2016 1:29 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there, so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software to run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
Someone installed "Dimension 4"
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/t
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which I believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4 hours per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have thought using multiple servers being better than one.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Dave.
Clay Autery wrote:
NTP Time Server Monitor by Meinberg.
Sorry, no.
As the name suggests this is only a monitor program for NTP service
(ntpd). You can use it to start/stop the NTP service, have a graphical
presentation of the loopstats files optionally generated by ntpd, etc.
So this is a nice optional addon for ntpd, but you need ntpd to actually
synchronize the system time. The monitor program doesn't do that.
Martin (working @meinberg)
For a Windows machine that is always on, I would strongly recommend
Meinberg NTPD as "easy to install and the real deal". And free. It works
just fine under Windows 10.
Dimension 4, I am not impressed by, but if the only thing it has to do is
set the clock at boot time, then it might be OK. But I think Windows 10
time service is good enough to do that out-of-the box from Microsoft.
Tim N3QE
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Dr. David Kirkby drkirkby@gmail.com wrote:
At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a
Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there,
so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software
to run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
Someone installed "Dimension 4"
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which
I believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4
hours per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have
thought using multiple servers being better than one.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Dave.
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I would also suggest using NTP. I have set it up and configured it using the directions here ( http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html ) and it works very well.
One thing to note is that Windows 10 does have the built in capability to set the time for itself, using a variant of SNTP. So I would be sure to turn this off by disabling the "Windows Time" Service.
Also, be aware that using NTP on a system that isn't on all the time, or has what I would describe as "asymmetric internet access" might cause NTP to be slow in correcting the time, or only be somewhat effective. If you are only looking to have it accurate to the right minute, then don't worry. But this is better addressed elsewhere.
-Randal
(at CubeCentral)
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Subject: [time-nuts] What's the best Windows 10 ntp client?
At my amateur radio club we have Internet access via a WiFi dongle with a Pay As You Go card. A Windows 10 PC is only powered up while we are there, so on around 2-4 hours per week.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be the most suitable software to run on our Windows 10 PC to set the time correct?
Someone installed "Dimension 4"
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/
As far as I can see, this takes the time from one single NTP server, which I believe is not a good idea. However, given we only run the PC on 2-4 hours per week, maybe no ntp client will work well, but I would have thought using multiple servers being better than one.
I am wondering if anyone has any better suggestions for software. .
Dave.
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