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Re: [time-nuts] GPS Arctic graphs

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Leo Bodnar
Sun, Aug 27, 2017 7:18 PM

Perhaps, completely unrelated and useless information - I had a small balloon that flew about 9km off the North Pole at altitude of around 13km while reporting its position derived from GPS.
http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/

Telemetry included time, date, coordinates, altitude, number of GPS satellites, onboard temperature, battery and solar panel voltages.
The raw data is still available here http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-telemetry.csv

What can I say which is of interest?  It was very cold, down to -60C at night, GPS works everywhere, number of useful satellites increased as you move towards the North and the Sun indeed does not set on the North Pole during summer (but stays very low to be useful.)

I have used Ublox MAX-8Q for navigation. It was able to cope with low temperatures - way below its specified limit but it really did not like sharp temperature changes, e.g. during sunset.  Which is expected.
When the Sun sets temperature changes by 10-30C down within few minutes, below -45C TCXO finds itslef way way outside its correction zone and starts drifting a lot (I suspect even worse than just XO would), tracking engine gives up and falls back into acquisition mode and it really drains the batteries. I had a tiny local heater for TCXO but can't say how effective it was - probably not very.  For power management reasons I have used power saving mode so acquisition fall-backs were not welcome.  I was also not able to find a way of deferring Ublox download of ephemeris during the night, where the power is extraordinarily precious.

Cheers
Leo

Perhaps, completely unrelated and useless information - I had a small balloon that flew about 9km off the North Pole at altitude of around 13km while reporting its position derived from GPS. http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/ Telemetry included time, date, coordinates, altitude, number of GPS satellites, onboard temperature, battery and solar panel voltages. The raw data is still available here http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-telemetry.csv What can I say which is of interest? It was very cold, down to -60C at night, GPS works everywhere, number of useful satellites increased as you move towards the North and the Sun indeed does not set on the North Pole during summer (but stays very low to be useful.) I have used Ublox MAX-8Q for navigation. It was able to cope with low temperatures - way below its specified limit but it really did not like sharp temperature changes, e.g. during sunset. Which is expected. When the Sun sets temperature changes by 10-30C down within few minutes, below -45C TCXO finds itslef way way outside its correction zone and starts drifting a lot (I suspect even worse than just XO would), tracking engine gives up and falls back into acquisition mode and it really drains the batteries. I had a tiny local heater for TCXO but can't say how effective it was - probably not very. For power management reasons I have used power saving mode so acquisition fall-backs were not welcome. I was also not able to find a way of deferring Ublox download of ephemeris during the night, where the power is extraordinarily precious. Cheers Leo
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paul swed
Mon, Aug 28, 2017 3:04 AM

Leo
I had no idea that you had done this work.
Pretty interesting. Amazing amount of weight and the fact that it ran for
some 134 days.
Thanks for sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Leo Bodnar leo@leobodnar.com wrote:

Perhaps, completely unrelated and useless information - I had a small
balloon that flew about 9km off the North Pole at altitude of around 13km
while reporting its position derived from GPS.
http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/

Telemetry included time, date, coordinates, altitude, number of GPS
satellites, onboard temperature, battery and solar panel voltages.
The raw data is still available here http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
B-64/B-64-telemetry.csv

What can I say which is of interest?  It was very cold, down to -60C at
night, GPS works everywhere, number of useful satellites increased as you
move towards the North and the Sun indeed does not set on the North Pole
during summer (but stays very low to be useful.)

I have used Ublox MAX-8Q for navigation. It was able to cope with low
temperatures - way below its specified limit but it really did not like
sharp temperature changes, e.g. during sunset.  Which is expected.
When the Sun sets temperature changes by 10-30C down within few minutes,
below -45C TCXO finds itslef way way outside its correction zone and starts
drifting a lot (I suspect even worse than just XO would), tracking engine
gives up and falls back into acquisition mode and it really drains the
batteries. I had a tiny local heater for TCXO but can't say how effective
it was - probably not very.  For power management reasons I have used power
saving mode so acquisition fall-backs were not welcome.  I was also not
able to find a way of deferring Ublox download of ephemeris during the
night, where the power is extraordinarily precious.

Cheers
Leo


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Leo I had no idea that you had done this work. Pretty interesting. Amazing amount of weight and the fact that it ran for some 134 days. Thanks for sharing. Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Leo Bodnar <leo@leobodnar.com> wrote: > Perhaps, completely unrelated and useless information - I had a small > balloon that flew about 9km off the North Pole at altitude of around 13km > while reporting its position derived from GPS. > http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/ > > Telemetry included time, date, coordinates, altitude, number of GPS > satellites, onboard temperature, battery and solar panel voltages. > The raw data is still available here http://leobodnar.com/balloons/ > B-64/B-64-telemetry.csv > > What can I say which is of interest? It was very cold, down to -60C at > night, GPS works everywhere, number of useful satellites increased as you > move towards the North and the Sun indeed does not set on the North Pole > during summer (but stays very low to be useful.) > > I have used Ublox MAX-8Q for navigation. It was able to cope with low > temperatures - way below its specified limit but it really did not like > sharp temperature changes, e.g. during sunset. Which is expected. > When the Sun sets temperature changes by 10-30C down within few minutes, > below -45C TCXO finds itslef way way outside its correction zone and starts > drifting a lot (I suspect even worse than just XO would), tracking engine > gives up and falls back into acquisition mode and it really drains the > batteries. I had a tiny local heater for TCXO but can't say how effective > it was - probably not very. For power management reasons I have used power > saving mode so acquisition fall-backs were not welcome. I was also not > able to find a way of deferring Ublox download of ephemeris during the > night, where the power is extraordinarily precious. > > Cheers > Leo > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >