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Re: [time-nuts] Bye-Bye Crystals

AG
Adrian Godwin
Tue, Mar 14, 2017 1:09 AM

I'm not after quality - I do have an application in mind but it doesn't
need to compete with mass production. Just wondering if it's feasible to
make something crude that will resonate.

On 14 Mar 2017 1:00 a.m., "Hal Murray" hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

jimlux@earthlink.net said:

what about cheap crystals for microcontrollers.. I think the Arduino,  for
instance, uses a crystal (and the oscillator electronics are inside  the
Atmel part)

I assume you can save a few pennies if you use a raw crystal rather than an
oscillator.  That probably matters in high volume low cost applications.

Atmel has the technology for making oscillators.  That's an analog-ish
corner
on what is mostly a digital chip.  A lot of their chips are low standby
power
which generally means an older digital process with thicker oxides that
don't
leak as much.  That probably makes analog corners easier, but I'm far from a
wizard at that area.

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I'm not after quality - I do have an application in mind but it doesn't need to compete with mass production. Just wondering if it's feasible to make something crude that will resonate. On 14 Mar 2017 1:00 a.m., "Hal Murray" <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: jimlux@earthlink.net said: > what about cheap crystals for microcontrollers.. I think the Arduino, for > instance, uses a crystal (and the oscillator electronics are inside the > Atmel part) I assume you can save a few pennies if you use a raw crystal rather than an oscillator. That probably matters in high volume low cost applications. Atmel has the technology for making oscillators. That's an analog-ish corner on what is mostly a digital chip. A lot of their chips are low standby power which generally means an older digital process with thicker oxides that don't leak as much. That probably makes analog corners easier, but I'm far from a wizard at that area. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
BC
Bob Camp
Tue, Mar 14, 2017 2:03 AM

Hi

If you are not to picky, you can buy crystals in bulk for < 5 cents each. Why make
them from scratch? Best guess is that in small volume, they will cost you > $20 each
to make. Labor cost something ….

Bob

On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com wrote:

I'm not after quality - I do have an application in mind but it doesn't
need to compete with mass production. Just wondering if it's feasible to
make something crude that will resonate.

On 14 Mar 2017 1:00 a.m., "Hal Murray" hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

jimlux@earthlink.net said:

what about cheap crystals for microcontrollers.. I think the Arduino,  for
instance, uses a crystal (and the oscillator electronics are inside  the
Atmel part)

I assume you can save a few pennies if you use a raw crystal rather than an
oscillator.  That probably matters in high volume low cost applications.

Atmel has the technology for making oscillators.  That's an analog-ish
corner
on what is mostly a digital chip.  A lot of their chips are low standby
power
which generally means an older digital process with thicker oxides that
don't
leak as much.  That probably makes analog corners easier, but I'm far from a
wizard at that area.

--
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Hi If you are not to picky, you can buy crystals in bulk for < 5 cents each. Why make them from scratch? Best guess is that in small volume, they will cost you > $20 each to make. Labor cost something …. Bob > On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not after quality - I do have an application in mind but it doesn't > need to compete with mass production. Just wondering if it's feasible to > make something crude that will resonate. > > On 14 Mar 2017 1:00 a.m., "Hal Murray" <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: > > > jimlux@earthlink.net said: >> what about cheap crystals for microcontrollers.. I think the Arduino, for >> instance, uses a crystal (and the oscillator electronics are inside the >> Atmel part) > > I assume you can save a few pennies if you use a raw crystal rather than an > oscillator. That probably matters in high volume low cost applications. > > Atmel has the technology for making oscillators. That's an analog-ish > corner > on what is mostly a digital chip. A lot of their chips are low standby > power > which generally means an older digital process with thicker oxides that > don't > leak as much. That probably makes analog corners easier, but I'm far from a > wizard at that area. > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.