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Re: [time-nuts] GPS for Nixie Clock

HM
Hal Murray
Fri, Jul 15, 2016 8:50 PM

Well, if you actually sit down and measure the serial timing on a modern GPS
module, you will find that it is very consistent. That degrades quickly if
you  enable a few dozen sentences. Sub 10 ms accuracy is not a tough target
to  hit when standing still.

Do you have brand names/models for units that give good serial timing?  (or
even reasonable?)

All the ones I've tried have ballpark of 100 ms of wander.  The short term
jitter is in the ms range but the long term wander is more like 100 ms
peak-peak.  I assume it's a firmware screwup, probably because it didn't get
into the requirements sheet.

The last time I looked carefully was quite a few years ago.  Maybe one of the
newer brands is reasonably good.

The Garmin 18 was reasonably good.  The 18x is crap.  I assume they
outsourced some of the work rather than updating their old firmware.

In case anybody is concerned about the PC end of serial timing, I have good
data from a Z3801A feeding Linux.  With ntpd's filtering, it's well under a
ms.

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kb8tq@n1k.org said: > Well, if you actually sit down and measure the serial timing on a modern GPS > module, you will find that it is very consistent. That degrades quickly if > you enable a few dozen sentences. Sub 10 ms accuracy is not a tough target > to hit when standing still. Do you have brand names/models for units that give good serial timing? (or even reasonable?) All the ones I've tried have ballpark of 100 ms of wander. The short term jitter is in the ms range but the long term wander is more like 100 ms peak-peak. I assume it's a firmware screwup, probably because it didn't get into the requirements sheet. The last time I looked carefully was quite a few years ago. Maybe one of the newer brands is reasonably good. The Garmin 18 was reasonably good. The 18x is crap. I assume they outsourced some of the work rather than updating their old firmware. In case anybody is concerned about the PC end of serial timing, I have good data from a Z3801A feeding Linux. With ntpd's filtering, it's well under a ms. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
BC
Bob Camp
Fri, Jul 15, 2016 10:18 PM

Hi

From what I have seen, both uBlox and Furuno are very consistent in their
serial timing. I’ve looked at a lot of modules, but those two come to mind
pretty quick.

Bob

On Jul 15, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

kb8tq@n1k.org said:

Well, if you actually sit down and measure the serial timing on a modern GPS
module, you will find that it is very consistent. That degrades quickly if
you  enable a few dozen sentences. Sub 10 ms accuracy is not a tough target
to  hit when standing still.

Do you have brand names/models for units that give good serial timing?  (or
even reasonable?)

All the ones I've tried have ballpark of 100 ms of wander.  The short term
jitter is in the ms range but the long term wander is more like 100 ms
peak-peak.  I assume it's a firmware screwup, probably because it didn't get
into the requirements sheet.

The last time I looked carefully was quite a few years ago.  Maybe one of the
newer brands is reasonably good.

The Garmin 18 was reasonably good.  The 18x is crap.  I assume they
outsourced some of the work rather than updating their old firmware.

In case anybody is concerned about the PC end of serial timing, I have good
data from a Z3801A feeding Linux.  With ntpd's filtering, it's well under a
ms.

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Hi From what I have seen, both uBlox and Furuno are very consistent in their serial timing. I’ve looked at a lot of modules, but those two come to mind pretty quick. Bob > On Jul 15, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: > > > kb8tq@n1k.org said: >> Well, if you actually sit down and measure the serial timing on a modern GPS >> module, you will find that it is very consistent. That degrades quickly if >> you enable a few dozen sentences. Sub 10 ms accuracy is not a tough target >> to hit when standing still. > > Do you have brand names/models for units that give good serial timing? (or > even reasonable?) > > All the ones I've tried have ballpark of 100 ms of wander. The short term > jitter is in the ms range but the long term wander is more like 100 ms > peak-peak. I assume it's a firmware screwup, probably because it didn't get > into the requirements sheet. > > The last time I looked carefully was quite a few years ago. Maybe one of the > newer brands is reasonably good. > > The Garmin 18 was reasonably good. The 18x is crap. I assume they > outsourced some of the work rather than updating their old firmware. > > In case anybody is concerned about the PC end of serial timing, I have good > data from a Z3801A feeding Linux. With ntpd's filtering, it's well under a > ms. > > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.