Hi The EEVB guys have been going around on these GPSDO’s for about a year now. Lots of people have tried to get refunds on them. Pretty much every trick in the book (replacement is in the mail …. need one more piece of information from you … shipping clerk in the hospital with bubonic plague …) seems to have been used. If the tricks work, they run you past the refund period stated and … poof … no refund. We often jump on auction site sellers for some pretty minor things. That tends to turn this into a “they are all crooks” sort of discussion. A number of these guys do indeed care about selling stuff. The do indeed honor their warranty. They stay in business under the same name for years and years. Those are the good guys. There *is* a difference. Bob > On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:36 AM, Chris Albertson <albertson.chris@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Richard W. Solomon <w1ksz@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >> What a deal, if it arrives DOA, return shipment is on >> your nickel. I would look elsewhere. > > > That is not true. If it were DOA and the seller would not take it back > post paid you could file a "not as described" on the seller and eBay would > refund the price. eBay and Paypal offer pretty good buyer protection. > > Someone here said the seller uses multiple IDs. It is more likely that one > person is making these and offering to multiple people who then sell them > on eBay. This is the way it works in China, a popular design gets made > and then is sold by many people. It is all a cottage industry over there. > Pick any kind of electronic PCB level part, say a stepper motor driver > and you see the same exact part from 20 different sellers not one seller > with 20 IDs. (Well that is the general case, this specific one might be > different, who knows.) > > But so what even if the GPSDO is good only to 1xE10 that is still a very > useful device to own. Yes some are literally 1,000 times better > > You could always build your own. It is not hard nor is it expensive if you > have a reasonable goal and don't go for state of the art. > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

Pick any kind of electronic PCB level part, say a stepper motor driver

My experience is different. When I received a broken item from China, it was damaged in shipment because it was poorly packed, the seller told be to keep the broken part because he did not want to pay to ship something he would just toss in the trash. eBay's current policy is given here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/money-back-guarantee.html It says that for items not as described the seller pays for return shipping. It seems that what you did was go through paypal who might had a different policy they need to handle transactions outside of eBay On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Clint Jay <cjaysharp@gmail.com> wrote: > No, my experience with Chinese sellers, even when you file a "not as > described" case, is that eBay will require you to return the item at your > own expense if the seller has stated they will not pay return shipping. > > Ebay's attitude was that the seller could just state in their item > description that buyer is to cover return costs and that's it. Game over. > > Which is why you occasionally still see items for peanuts and extortionate > shipping costs, the seller then only has to refund you a couple of dollars > on an item that may have cost you a hundred including shipping. > > I ended up getting a total refund of £3 on a £28 item once I'd returned > it and taken shipping into account. Also, that was a PayPal refund, not a > seller refund because they just refused shipment so eBay refused to refund > as they had no proof of return. > > All the above are the reasons why I now rarely if ever buy anything costing > more than a couple of pounds from China unless I know other people have had > good experience with the item and seller. > On 10 Jul 2016 05:46, "Chris Albertson" <albertson.chris@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Richard W. Solomon <w1ksz@earthlink.net> > > wrote: > > > > > What a deal, if it arrives DOA, return shipment is on > > > your nickel. I would look elsewhere. > > > > > > That is not true. If it were DOA and the seller would not take it back > > post paid you could file a "not as described" on the seller and eBay > would > > refund the price. eBay and Paypal offer pretty good buyer protection. > > > > Someone here said the seller uses multiple IDs. It is more likely that > one > > person is making these and offering to multiple people who then sell > them > > on eBay. This is the way it works in China, a popular design gets made > > and then is sold by many people. It is all a cottage industry over > there. > > Pick any kind of electronic PCB level part, say a stepper motor driver > > and you see the same exact part from 20 different sellers not one seller > > with 20 IDs. (Well that is the general case, this specific one might > be > > different, who knows.) > > > > But so what even if the GPSDO is good only to 1xE10 that is still a very > > useful device to own. Yes some are literally 1,000 times better > > > > You could always build your own. It is not hard nor is it expensive if > you > > have a reasonable goal and don't go for state of the art. > > -- > > > > Chris Albertson > > Redondo Beach, California > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California