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Thunderbolt frequency error when locked

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David Van Horn
Wed, Oct 2, 2019 6:32 PM

I'm writing up a presentation for some sales guys, and I need the typical frequency error of the thunderbolt in marketing friendly terms like "plus or minus X millihertz"

What would that number be?  Short term only.

--
David VanHorn
Lead Hardware Engineer

Backcountry Access, Inc.
2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H
Boulder, CO  80301 USA
phone: 303-417-1345  x110
email: david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.commailto:david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com

I'm writing up a presentation for some sales guys, and I need the typical frequency error of the thunderbolt in marketing friendly terms like "plus or minus X millihertz" What would that number be? Short term only. -- David VanHorn Lead Hardware Engineer Backcountry Access, Inc. 2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H Boulder, CO 80301 USA phone: 303-417-1345 x110 email: david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com<mailto:david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com>
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Bill Beam
Wed, Oct 2, 2019 10:34 PM

I have three units running.  Lady Heather reports osc error as <+/-10-100 ppt,
about 10 milliHz.  This is real time reporting every sec.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 18:32:19 +0000, David Van Horn via time-nuts wrote:

I'm writing up a presentation for some sales guys, and I need the typical frequency error of the thunderbolt in marketing friendly terms like

"plus or minus X millihertz"

What would that number be?  Short term only.

--
David VanHorn
Lead Hardware Engineer

Backcountry Access, Inc.
2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H
Boulder, CO  80301 USA
phone: 303-417-1345  x110
email: david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.commailto:david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com


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I have three units running. Lady Heather reports osc error as <+/-10-100 ppt, about 10 milliHz. This is real time reporting every sec. On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 18:32:19 +0000, David Van Horn via time-nuts wrote: >I'm writing up a presentation for some sales guys, and I need the typical frequency error of the thunderbolt in marketing friendly terms like "plus or minus X millihertz" >What would that number be? Short term only. >-- >David VanHorn >Lead Hardware Engineer >Backcountry Access, Inc. >2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H >Boulder, CO 80301 USA >phone: 303-417-1345 x110 >email: david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com<mailto:david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com> >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >and follow the instructions there. Bill Beam NL7F
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Bob kb8tq
Wed, Oct 2, 2019 11:15 PM

Hi

Well, you need to leave a lot out to keep it brief.

The answer is “somewhere in the 1x10^-10 to 1x10^-11 range. As long as you
are not stating a tau or a confidence factor, any number in that range could be
right.

=====

Based on having done this a lot of times there are a couple of ways to present the
numbers.

  1. Fractions of a hertz. Since you get into mili and micro pretty fast, along with a bunch
    of decimals this can indeed loose people pretty fast. If the environment is one where
    multiple frequencies will be used / considered / discussed, fractions of a hertz gets
    a bit crazy.

  2. Scientific notation. Obviously, this is a common choice. Since the exponent is ever
    changing it also can tangle people up,

  3. Engineering notation. IF everything can be kept in one magic range, this usually
    works best. Talking about 100 ppt and 0.1 ppt ( or ppb or ppm) seems to get the point
    across without generating an enormous disconnect. You have one discussion about
    what a ppt is and then move on.

…. back to gazing out over lovely Loveland CO.

Bob

On Oct 2, 2019, at 12:32 PM, David Van Horn via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

I'm writing up a presentation for some sales guys, and I need the typical frequency error of the thunderbolt in marketing friendly terms like "plus or minus X millihertz"

What would that number be?  Short term only.

--
David VanHorn
Lead Hardware Engineer

Backcountry Access, Inc.
2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H
Boulder, CO  80301 USA
phone: 303-417-1345  x110
email: david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.commailto:david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com


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Hi Well, you need to leave a lot out to keep it brief. The answer is “somewhere in the 1x10^-10 to 1x10^-11 range. As long as you are not stating a tau or a confidence factor, any number in that range could be right. ===== Based on having done this a lot of times there are a couple of ways to present the numbers. 1) Fractions of a hertz. Since you get into mili and micro pretty fast, along with a bunch of decimals this can indeed loose people pretty fast. If the environment is one where multiple frequencies will be used / considered / discussed, fractions of a hertz gets a bit crazy. 2) Scientific notation. Obviously, this is a common choice. Since the exponent is ever changing it also can tangle people up, 3) Engineering notation. *IF* everything can be kept in one magic range, this usually works best. Talking about 100 ppt and 0.1 ppt ( or ppb or ppm) seems to get the point across without generating an enormous disconnect. You have one discussion about what a ppt is and then move on. …. back to gazing out over lovely Loveland CO. Bob > On Oct 2, 2019, at 12:32 PM, David Van Horn via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > I'm writing up a presentation for some sales guys, and I need the typical frequency error of the thunderbolt in marketing friendly terms like "plus or minus X millihertz" > > What would that number be? Short term only. > > -- > David VanHorn > Lead Hardware Engineer > > Backcountry Access, Inc. > 2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H > Boulder, CO 80301 USA > phone: 303-417-1345 x110 > email: david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com<mailto:david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.