Nothing new. That is actually a direct copy of a HP 16074A 4-terminal quasi inductance standard. Even the pictures of the article were copied directly from the HP manual. 2015-08-20 11.50 UTC+03.00, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) <drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk>: > If this was April the first, I would be convinced that paper was an April > Fools Joke! > > I can't imagine how you can make high Q (low loss) inductors, by using a > capacitor and two resistors. It just makes no sense to me, but I will read > the maths later. The mere fact there is resistance makes me think it must > be lossy, so low Q. Also the equations seems to come out with convenient > numbers - R in Ohms, C in pF and H in Henries. > > But if the paper is real, it is very close to what I want, although it > still leaves the position of finding stable capacitors. I thought inductors > would be easier than capacitors, but maybe not. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Looking at figure 4a it seems that the capacitor is connected to the center conductors of the "C" 4TP port. Looking at the figure 3 schematic, the capacitor seems to be connected to the guard terminal of the "C" 4TP port, not to the center conductors. If the capacitor is connected to the center conductor (as seen in figure 4) than it is unconnected when using the "L" port. Are there any LCR equipment with an 8TP port measurement capability? That assembly has an "L" and a "C" port to be of double use? A capacitance as well as an inductance standard? But if the capacitor is connected to the guard then what is the use of the "C" port? Connecting a capacitor to the guard should have the effect illustrated on page 3-15 of the Agilent Impedance Measurement Handbook: removing the stray capacitance from the measurement. On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 2:17 PM, <acbern@gmx.de> wrote: > I did a quick and dirty check, using a standard wire DUT adapter with my (not calibrated) 4275 meter and 2x 100R and 1x 1000pf. According to the guide below, this should reslt in 10uH. > Checked the parts allone with the meter before, all reasonably close to nominal. > One end of the resistors connected to the wire contacts each, other ends hooked up together and connected to the case through the 1nF capacitor. > Not precise parts, ended up at about 9.9uH at 1MHz. > So while this is by no means any quantitive analysis, it seems to work in principle and would be worth building the real ones with shielded case. > Again, calibrating these meters does not require inductors, still it is a pretty interesting approach i think. > > >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2015 um 03:38 Uhr >> Von: "Todd Micallef" <tmicallef@gmail.com> >> An: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" <volt-nuts@febo.com> >> Betreff: Re: [volt-nuts] Anyone know how to make stable inductors? >> >> Here is a DIY guide to making some lab standards. It is detailed with some >> component values. >> >> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/4848/1/JSIR%2065%286%29%20510-513.pdf >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Dave M <dgminala@mediacombb.net> wrote: >> >> > Here's a paragraph from IETLab's web site on how their inductance >> > standards are made: >> > >> > "Each standard inductor is a uniformly wound toroid on a ceramic core. It >> > has a negligible external magnetic field and hence essentially no pickup >> > from external fields. The inductor is resiliently supported in a mixture of >> > ground cork and silica gel, after which the whole assembly is cast with a >> > poƫting compound into a cubical aluminum case." >> > >> > Sounds like their objective is to isolate the winding from as many >> > external influences as possible. Of course, the same couild be said of any >> > physical or electrical standard. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Dave M >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: >> > >> >> I was looking to make some inductors that I can use as a sanity check >> >> for >> >> my HP 4284A LCR meter. I don't too much care what their values are, >> >> but I want them to be stable with time. Any suggestions about the >> >> best way to >> >> make or buy them? I'd like values in the range of 1 nH to 100 mH. >> >> >> >> The LCR meter has 4 terminal Kelvin connections, with 4 x BNC sockets >> >> on a 22 mm pitch. >> >> >> >> The meter is at Keysight at the moment being calibrated, along with a >> >> free software upgrade they are kindly providing. So I'd like to >> >> measure some inductors when it comes back, and track their values >> >> over time, to see if the meter is drifting. >> >> >> >> The meter covers 20 Hz to 1 MHz, and has a basic uncertainty of >> >> 0.05%, so ideally I'd like to keep inductor changes to less than >> >> 0.005% over a year, so the inductor is an order of magnitude better >> >> than the meter. Maybe that is not practical. As I say, the absolute >> >> value is not important, since I only want a comparison. >> >> >> >> The calibration costs on this meter are not too bad (£207 GBP), but >> >> the calibration interval is 6 months, which is a bit annoying. I'd >> >> rather not >> >> be sending it off every 6 months if I can satisfy to myself it has not >> >> drifted too much. Luckily I don't need to satisfy anyone else. >> >> >> >> Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET >> >> Kirkby Microwave Ltd >> >> Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Essex, >> >> CM3 6DT, UK. >> >> Registered in England and Wales, company number 08914892. >> >> http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ >> >> Tel: 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900 to 2100 GMT only please) >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> > To unsubscribe, go to >> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> > and follow the instructions there. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

On 20 August 2015 at 02:38, Todd Micallef <tmicallef@gmail.com> wrote: > Here is a DIY guide to making some lab standards. It is detailed with some > component values. > > > http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/4848/1/JSIR%2065%286%29%20510-513.pdf > As I wrote before, I think this is of dubious use, as you are not making an inductor, but just making the meter indicate there's a low Q inductor, by using the 4-wires in an incorre > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Dave M <dgminala@mediacombb.net> wrote: > > > Here's a paragraph from IETLab's web site on how their inductance > > standards are made: > > > > "Each standard inductor is a uniformly wound toroid on a ceramic core. It > > has a negligible external magnetic field and hence essentially no pickup > > from external fields. The inductor is resiliently supported in a mixture > of > > ground cork and silica gel, after which the whole assembly is cast with a > > poƫting compound into a cubical aluminum case." > > > > Sounds like their objective is to isolate the winding from as many > > external influences as possible. Of course, the same couild be said of > any > > physical or electrical standard. > > > > Cheers, > > Dave M > > > > > > > > > > Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > > > >> I was looking to make some inductors that I can use as a sanity check > >> for > >> my HP 4284A LCR meter. I don't too much care what their values are, > >> but I want them to be stable with time. Any suggestions about the > >> best way to > >> make or buy them? I'd like values in the range of 1 nH to 100 mH. > >> > >> The LCR meter has 4 terminal Kelvin connections, with 4 x BNC sockets > >> on a 22 mm pitch. > >> > >> The meter is at Keysight at the moment being calibrated, along with a > >> free software upgrade they are kindly providing. So I'd like to > >> measure some inductors when it comes back, and track their values > >> over time, to see if the meter is drifting. > >> > >> The meter covers 20 Hz to 1 MHz, and has a basic uncertainty of > >> 0.05%, so ideally I'd like to keep inductor changes to less than > >> 0.005% over a year, so the inductor is an order of magnitude better > >> than the meter. Maybe that is not practical. As I say, the absolute > >> value is not important, since I only want a comparison. > >> > >> The calibration costs on this meter are not too bad (£207 GBP), but > >> the calibration interval is 6 months, which is a bit annoying. I'd > >> rather not > >> be sending it off every 6 months if I can satisfy to myself it has not > >> drifted too much. Luckily I don't need to satisfy anyone else. > >> > >> Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET > >> Kirkby Microwave Ltd > >> Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Essex, > >> CM3 6DT, UK. > >> Registered in England and Wales, company number 08914892. > >> http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ > >> Tel: 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900 to 2100 GMT only please) > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >