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Microsemi up for sale?

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Clint Jay
Fri, Jan 26, 2018 11:27 PM

Perhaps of interest to the list

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/

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Perhaps of interest to the list https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/ -- Clint. *No trees were harmed in the sending of this mail. However, a large number of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.*
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Bob kb8tq
Sat, Jan 27, 2018 1:24 AM

Hi

I suspect that a lot of people are wondering who the buyer might be ….

Bob

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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/

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Hi I suspect that a lot of people are wondering who the buyer might be …. Bob > On Jan 26, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Clint Jay <cjaysharp@gmail.com> wrote: > > Perhaps of interest to the list > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/ > > -- > Clint. > > *No trees were harmed in the sending of this mail. However, a large number > of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.* > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Anders Wallin
Sat, Mar 3, 2018 9:22 AM

Just a change to the last part of the name then ;)
https://www.ft.com/content/10192a2a-1d99-11e8-956a-43db76e69936
"semi" -> "chip"

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Clint Jay cjaysharp@gmail.com wrote:

Perhaps of interest to the list

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/

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Just a change to the last part of the name then ;) https://www.ft.com/content/10192a2a-1d99-11e8-956a-43db76e69936 "semi" -> "chip" On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Clint Jay <cjaysharp@gmail.com> wrote: > Perhaps of interest to the list > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/ > > -- > Clint. > > *No trees were harmed in the sending of this mail. However, a large number > of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.* > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Sat, Mar 3, 2018 2:30 PM

I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this
rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this.
He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear
if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement
CBT's).  I don't remember the production ever
being anywhere near this level.  The reason
for the relatively brisk sales is that the risk
of GPS spoofing means that various military and
3 letter agencies need to own dedicated 5071's.
With a large installed base of 5071's, there will
be a guaranteed market for replacement tubes.
The US government considers the 5071A to be of
great strategic importance and would be certain
to "encourage" its continued production in case
of any business reorganization.

When we designed the 5071A twenty five years ago,
it seemed that there were two safe bets:

  1. Working Cs standards (outside the lab) would
    obsoleted by what HP called "smart clocks" running
    off of GPS.

  2. Magnetic state selection, as used in the 5071A,
    would be replaced by optical pumping.  Len Cutler
    was heartbroken that HP/Agilent management wouldn't
    fund this effort.

It turns out that, even now in 2018, optical pumping
is not ready for prime time in a working standard
because the lasers drift over time.  The 5071A's
claim to fame is that you turn it on and it just
works ... until it runs out of cesium.  That is
another reason the 5071A isn't going away any time soon.

Rick Karlquist N6RK
Member: 5071A design team

On 3/3/2018 1:22 AM, Anders Wallin wrote:

Just a change to the last part of the name then ;)
https://www.ft.com/content/10192a2a-1d99-11e8-956a-43db76e69936
"semi" -> "chip"

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Clint Jay cjaysharp@gmail.com wrote:

Perhaps of interest to the list

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/

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I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this. He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement CBT's). I don't remember the production ever being anywhere near this level. The reason for the relatively brisk sales is that the risk of GPS spoofing means that various military and 3 letter agencies need to own dedicated 5071's. With a large installed base of 5071's, there will be a guaranteed market for replacement tubes. The US government considers the 5071A to be of great strategic importance and would be certain to "encourage" its continued production in case of any business reorganization. When we designed the 5071A twenty five years ago, it seemed that there were two safe bets: 1. Working Cs standards (outside the lab) would obsoleted by what HP called "smart clocks" running off of GPS. 2. Magnetic state selection, as used in the 5071A, would be replaced by optical pumping. Len Cutler was heartbroken that HP/Agilent management wouldn't fund this effort. It turns out that, even now in 2018, optical pumping is not ready for prime time in a working standard because the lasers drift over time. The 5071A's claim to fame is that you turn it on and it just works ... until it runs out of cesium. That is another reason the 5071A isn't going away any time soon. Rick Karlquist N6RK Member: 5071A design team On 3/3/2018 1:22 AM, Anders Wallin wrote: > Just a change to the last part of the name then ;) > https://www.ft.com/content/10192a2a-1d99-11e8-956a-43db76e69936 > "semi" -> "chip" > > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Clint Jay <cjaysharp@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Perhaps of interest to the list >> >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/ >> >> -- >> Clint. >> >> *No trees were harmed in the sending of this mail. However, a large number >> of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.* >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
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ewkehren
Sat, Mar 3, 2018 2:47 PM

The manager many not know but the market does and there have been announcements and the stock is up and for the day the fifth most active of all US markets. At 2 pm #2    Bert Kehren

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-------- Original message --------From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" richard@karlquist.com Date: 3/3/18  9:30 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wallin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?
I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this
rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this.
He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear
if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement
CBT's).  I don't remember the production ever
being anywhere near this level.  The reason
for the relatively brisk sales is that the risk
of GPS spoofing means that various military and
3 letter agencies need to own dedicated 5071's.
With a large installed base of 5071's, there will
be a guaranteed market for replacement tubes.
The US government considers the 5071A to be of
great strategic importance and would be certain
to "encourage" its continued production in case
of any business reorganization.

When we designed the 5071A twenty five years ago,
it seemed that there were two safe bets:

1.  Working Cs standards (outside the lab) would
obsoleted by what HP called "smart clocks" running
off of GPS.

2.  Magnetic state selection, as used in the 5071A,
would be replaced by optical pumping.  Len Cutler
was heartbroken that HP/Agilent management wouldn't
fund this effort.

It turns out that, even now in 2018, optical pumping
is not ready for prime time in a working standard
because the lasers drift over time.  The 5071A's
claim to fame is that you turn it on and it just
works ... until it runs out of cesium.  That is
another reason the 5071A isn't going away any time soon.

Rick Karlquist N6RK
Member: 5071A design team

On 3/3/2018 1:22 AM, Anders Wallin wrote:

Just a change to the last part of the name then ;)
https://www.ft.com/content/10192a2a-1d99-11e8-956a-43db76e69936
"semi" -> "chip"

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Clint Jay cjaysharp@gmail.com wrote:

Perhaps of interest to the list

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/

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The manager many not know but the market does and there have been announcements and the stock is up and for the day the fifth most active of all US markets. At 2 pm #2    Bert Kehren Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A -------- Original message --------From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com> Date: 3/3/18 9:30 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com>, Anders Wallin <anders.e.e.wallin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale? I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this. He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement CBT's).  I don't remember the production ever being anywhere near this level.  The reason for the relatively brisk sales is that the risk of GPS spoofing means that various military and 3 letter agencies need to own dedicated 5071's. With a large installed base of 5071's, there will be a guaranteed market for replacement tubes. The US government considers the 5071A to be of great strategic importance and would be certain to "encourage" its continued production in case of any business reorganization. When we designed the 5071A twenty five years ago, it seemed that there were two safe bets: 1.  Working Cs standards (outside the lab) would obsoleted by what HP called "smart clocks" running off of GPS. 2.  Magnetic state selection, as used in the 5071A, would be replaced by optical pumping.  Len Cutler was heartbroken that HP/Agilent management wouldn't fund this effort. It turns out that, even now in 2018, optical pumping is not ready for prime time in a working standard because the lasers drift over time.  The 5071A's claim to fame is that you turn it on and it just works ... until it runs out of cesium.  That is another reason the 5071A isn't going away any time soon. Rick Karlquist N6RK Member: 5071A design team On 3/3/2018 1:22 AM, Anders Wallin wrote: > Just a change to the last part of the name then ;) > https://www.ft.com/content/10192a2a-1d99-11e8-956a-43db76e69936 > "semi" -> "chip" > > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Clint Jay <cjaysharp@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Perhaps of interest to the list >> >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/ >> >> -- >> Clint. >> >> *No trees were harmed in the sending of this mail. However, a large number >> of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.* >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Magnus Danielson
Sat, Mar 3, 2018 7:32 PM

Rick,

On 03/03/2018 03:30 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:

I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this
rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this.
He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear
if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement
CBT's).  I don't remember the production ever
being anywhere near this level.  The reason
for the relatively brisk sales is that the risk
of GPS spoofing means that various military and
3 letter agencies need to own dedicated 5071's.
With a large installed base of 5071's, there will
be a guaranteed market for replacement tubes.
The US government considers the 5071A to be of
great strategic importance and would be certain
to "encourage" its continued production in case
of any business reorganization.

When we designed the 5071A twenty five years ago,
it seemed that there were two safe bets:

1.  Working Cs standards (outside the lab) would
obsoleted by what HP called "smart clocks" running
off of GPS.

We sure have seen more or less "smart" clocks being put into use an
decommissioned for hobbyists delight.

2.  Magnetic state selection, as used in the 5071A,
would be replaced by optical pumping.  Len Cutler
was heartbroken that HP/Agilent management wouldn't
fund this effort.

Interestingly enough, Oscilloquartz claim to have one, showcasing it
etc. but it's been "coming real soon" for a bit of a time now. I do not
know how that progresses.

It turns out that, even now in 2018, optical pumping
is not ready for prime time in a working standard
because the lasers drift over time.

Moving a technology from the lab environment into production is indeed a
challenge.

The 5071A's claim to fame is that you turn it on and it just
works ... until it runs out of cesium.  That is
another reason the 5071A isn't going away any time soon.

It belongs clearly to the moderns cesiums which just operates and trims
up itself well. In my basement I currently have two where one had a
workiing CBT and failing electronics while the other had failed CBT and
working electronics. So I got to long-time borrow them to swap tubes and
use them. :)

Cheers,
Magnus

Rick, On 03/03/2018 03:30 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this > rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this. > He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear > if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement > CBT's).  I don't remember the production ever > being anywhere near this level.  The reason > for the relatively brisk sales is that the risk > of GPS spoofing means that various military and > 3 letter agencies need to own dedicated 5071's. > With a large installed base of 5071's, there will > be a guaranteed market for replacement tubes. > The US government considers the 5071A to be of > great strategic importance and would be certain > to "encourage" its continued production in case > of any business reorganization. > > When we designed the 5071A twenty five years ago, > it seemed that there were two safe bets: > > 1.  Working Cs standards (outside the lab) would > obsoleted by what HP called "smart clocks" running > off of GPS. We sure have seen more or less "smart" clocks being put into use an decommissioned for hobbyists delight. > 2.  Magnetic state selection, as used in the 5071A, > would be replaced by optical pumping.  Len Cutler > was heartbroken that HP/Agilent management wouldn't > fund this effort. Interestingly enough, Oscilloquartz claim to have one, showcasing it etc. but it's been "coming real soon" for a bit of a time now. I do not know how that progresses. > It turns out that, even now in 2018, optical pumping > is not ready for prime time in a working standard > because the lasers drift over time. Moving a technology from the lab environment into production is indeed a challenge. > The 5071A's claim to fame is that you turn it on and it just > works ... until it runs out of cesium.  That is > another reason the 5071A isn't going away any time soon. It belongs clearly to the moderns cesiums which just operates and trims up itself well. In my basement I currently have two where one had a workiing CBT and failing electronics while the other had failed CBT and working electronics. So I got to long-time borrow them to swap tubes and use them. :) Cheers, Magnus