JA
John Ackermann N8UR
Mon, Jan 23, 2017 10:14 PM
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
"Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in
a couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every
flavor of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
"Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in
a couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every
flavor of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
G/
Graham / KE9H
Mon, Jan 23, 2017 11:24 PM
Hi John:
It is still an effective tripling or quadrupling of the cost.
I purchased a "non profit" license several years ago for $129. "Non
commercial, 4 layers, up to 160 sq cm., all functionality enabled."
They converted this to a "standard" license over time.
A license was good for the life of a major version, such as 5 or 6.
When 7 came out, I had to buy a new license for 7, but it was at the
existing customer upgrade price, which was $69.
So $129 initially, then $69 every two or three years or so, as new major
versions came out.
Now they want $100 per year.
--- Graham
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:14 PM, John Ackermann N8UR jra@febo.com wrote:
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
"Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for
-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
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Hi John:
It is still an effective tripling or quadrupling of the cost.
I purchased a "non profit" license several years ago for $129. "Non
commercial, 4 layers, up to 160 sq cm., all functionality enabled."
They converted this to a "standard" license over time.
A license was good for the life of a major version, such as 5 or 6.
When 7 came out, I had to buy a new license for 7, but it was at the
existing customer upgrade price, which was $69.
So $129 initially, then $69 every two or three years or so, as new major
versions came out.
Now they want $100 per year.
--- Graham
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:14 PM, John Ackermann N8UR <jra@febo.com> wrote:
> Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
> complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
> "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
> cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
> Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
>
> http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for
> -the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
>
> This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
> couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
> of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
>
>
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Mike Suhar
Tue, Jan 24, 2017 12:56 AM
Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install it.
If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again a few months later when you start another project and need more than the freeware capabilities.
Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they require some form of proof.
Mike
W8RKO
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install it.
If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again a few months later when you start another project and need more than the freeware capabilities.
Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they require some form of proof.
Mike
W8RKO
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160 cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
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Graham / KE9H
Tue, Jan 24, 2017 1:26 AM
Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a
way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left
out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just
tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install
it.
If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could
go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again
a few months later when you start another project and need more than the
freeware capabilities.
Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
require some form of proof.
Mike
W8RKO
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John
Ackermann N8UR
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
"Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-
for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
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Mike:
You can get Eagle 7.7 at:
ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/7.7/
Somehow, that ftp server is still up and serving downloads.
--- Graham
==
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Mike Suhar <msuhar@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a
> way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left
> out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just
> tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install
> it.
>
> If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could
> go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again
> a few months later when you start another project and need more than the
> freeware capabilities.
>
> Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
> actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
> require some form of proof.
>
> Mike
> W8RKO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John
> Ackermann N8UR
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
>
> Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
> complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
> "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
> cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
> Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
>
> http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-
> for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
>
> This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
> couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
> of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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JP
Jim Pruitt
Tue, Jan 24, 2017 1:28 AM
Mike, you are correct about Autodesk products being free to
students/faculty/and staff with proof of status. A college/university
email would do that.
I retired from a medium size state university here in late spring. My job
there was to purchase, set up, install/administer software and hardware,
and maintain some application servers including ones for Autodesk,
Solidworks, Matlab, and Oracle Primavera. I had 2 Autocad labs consisting
of about 25 stations each. We used Autodesk products because they were
free to universities as long as it was in a teaching capacity. For that
reason facilities management could not use the educational version.
Autodesk and the cad labs took up over 75% of my time so 2 labs kept me
busy and I had 10 other pc labs to maintain on campus. I assume that
because the product was free to us we were on the bottom of the food chain
as I ran into a bug with their product that cause our students to have to
sit for 20 minutes before the license server would issue them a license.
Keep in mind that classes only lasted 50 minutes! Even though I hired a
third party VAR (value added reseller) for cad tech support. Education was
all on their own so even my VAR could not help me resolve the problem.
They did manage to give me one name at Autodesk that I could contact and
push them from inside. If it had not been for that I feel they never would
have taken the problem seriously. Even at that it took 2 months to get it
figured out. They did not fix the problem til the following year when a
new version was released. Prior to the product being offered free I could
contact Autodesk and get support when needed.
In short, Autodesk products are free to students and staff/faculty when
used for educational purposes. I had to resort to forums and other avenues
to get tech support.
Good luck.
Jim Pruitt
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar msuhar@woh.rr.com wrote:
Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a
way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left
out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just
tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install
it.
If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could
go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again
a few months later when you start another project and need more than the
freeware capabilities.
Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
require some form of proof.
Mike
W8RKO
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John
Ackermann N8UR
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
"Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-
for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to
https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/
mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.
Mike, you are correct about Autodesk products being free to
students/faculty/and staff with proof of status. A college/university
email would do that.
I retired from a medium size state university here in late spring. My job
there was to purchase, set up, install/administer software and hardware,
and maintain some application servers including ones for Autodesk,
Solidworks, Matlab, and Oracle Primavera. I had 2 Autocad labs consisting
of about 25 stations each. We used Autodesk products because they were
free to universities as long as it was in a teaching capacity. For that
reason facilities management could not use the educational version.
Autodesk and the cad labs took up over 75% of my time so 2 labs kept me
busy and I had 10 other pc labs to maintain on campus. I assume that
because the product was free to us we were on the bottom of the food chain
as I ran into a bug with their product that cause our students to have to
sit for 20 minutes before the license server would issue them a license.
Keep in mind that classes only lasted 50 minutes! Even though I hired a
third party VAR (value added reseller) for cad tech support. Education was
all on their own so even my VAR could not help me resolve the problem.
They did manage to give me one name at Autodesk that I could contact and
push them from inside. If it had not been for that I feel they never would
have taken the problem seriously. Even at that it took 2 months to get it
figured out. They did not fix the problem til the following year when a
new version was released. Prior to the product being offered free I could
contact Autodesk and get support when needed.
In short, Autodesk products are free to students and staff/faculty when
used for educational purposes. I had to resort to forums and other avenues
to get tech support.
Good luck.
Jim Pruitt
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar <msuhar@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a
> way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left
> out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just
> tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install
> it.
>
> If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could
> go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again
> a few months later when you start another project and need more than the
> freeware capabilities.
>
> Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
> actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
> require some form of proof.
>
> Mike
> W8RKO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John
> Ackermann N8UR
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
>
> Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
> complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
> "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
> cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
> Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
>
> http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-
> for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
>
> This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
> couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
> of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to
> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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J
jimlux
Tue, Jan 24, 2017 4:01 AM
On 1/23/17 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote:
Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they require some form of proof.
The usual hack for that is to enroll in a single class at the local
community college, which you don't need to pass, just enroll, so you get
the student ID.
On 1/23/17 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote:
> Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they require some form of proof.
>
The usual hack for that is to enroll in a single class at the local
community college, which you don't need to pass, just enroll, so you get
the student ID.
BC
Bob Camp
Tue, Jan 24, 2017 12:45 PM
On Jan 23, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Jim Pruitt jpruitt67@gmail.com wrote:
Mike, you are correct about Autodesk products being free to
students/faculty/and staff with proof of status. A college/university
email would do that.
I retired from a medium size state university here in late spring. My job
there was to purchase, set up, install/administer software and hardware,
and maintain some application servers including ones for Autodesk,
Solidworks, Matlab, and Oracle Primavera. I had 2 Autocad labs consisting
of about 25 stations each. We used Autodesk products because they were
free to universities as long as it was in a teaching capacity. For that
reason facilities management could not use the educational version.
Autodesk and the cad labs took up over 75% of my time so 2 labs kept me
busy and I had 10 other pc labs to maintain on campus. I assume that
because the product was free to us we were on the bottom of the food chain
as I ran into a bug with their product that cause our students to have to
sit for 20 minutes before the license server would issue them a license.
Even if you pay >$100K in license fees a year, don’t count on fast solutions
for things like license server nonsense (or any other bug). We are not in any
way an Autodesk customer at work so that’s not a direct knock on them. It’s
more a knock on the industry as a whole. With the payments we do get
a solution of some sort eventually. Two weeks is a more likely time period
than “later today” for most of them. That is better than the “maybe never”
time frame for unpaid support. It still is not what you need …..
Bob
Keep in mind that classes only lasted 50 minutes! Even though I hired a
third party VAR (value added reseller) for cad tech support. Education was
all on their own so even my VAR could not help me resolve the problem.
They did manage to give me one name at Autodesk that I could contact and
push them from inside. If it had not been for that I feel they never would
have taken the problem seriously. Even at that it took 2 months to get it
figured out. They did not fix the problem til the following year when a
new version was released. Prior to the product being offered free I could
contact Autodesk and get support when needed.
In short, Autodesk products are free to students and staff/faculty when
used for educational purposes. I had to resort to forums and other avenues
to get tech support.
Good luck.
Jim Pruitt
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar msuhar@woh.rr.com wrote:
Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a
way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left
out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just
tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install
it.
If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could
go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again
a few months later when you start another project and need more than the
freeware capabilities.
Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
require some form of proof.
Mike
W8RKO
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John
Ackermann N8UR
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
"Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-
for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to
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Hi
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Jim Pruitt <jpruitt67@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mike, you are correct about Autodesk products being free to
> students/faculty/and staff with proof of status. A college/university
> email would do that.
>
> I retired from a medium size state university here in late spring. My job
> there was to purchase, set up, install/administer software and hardware,
> and maintain some application servers including ones for Autodesk,
> Solidworks, Matlab, and Oracle Primavera. I had 2 Autocad labs consisting
> of about 25 stations each. We used Autodesk products because they were
> free to universities as long as it was in a teaching capacity. For that
> reason facilities management could not use the educational version.
> Autodesk and the cad labs took up over 75% of my time so 2 labs kept me
> busy and I had 10 other pc labs to maintain on campus. I assume that
> because the product was free to us we were on the bottom of the food chain
> as I ran into a bug with their product that cause our students to have to
> sit for 20 minutes before the license server would issue them a license.
Even if you pay >$100K in license fees a year, don’t count on fast solutions
for things like license server nonsense (or any other bug). We are not in any
way an Autodesk customer at work so that’s not a direct knock on them. It’s
more a knock on the industry as a whole. With the payments we *do* get
a solution of some sort eventually. Two weeks is a more likely time period
than “later today” for most of them. That *is* better than the “maybe never”
time frame for unpaid support. It still is not what you need …..
Bob
> Keep in mind that classes only lasted 50 minutes! Even though I hired a
> third party VAR (value added reseller) for cad tech support. Education was
> all on their own so even my VAR could not help me resolve the problem.
> They did manage to give me one name at Autodesk that I could contact and
> push them from inside. If it had not been for that I feel they never would
> have taken the problem seriously. Even at that it took 2 months to get it
> figured out. They did not fix the problem til the following year when a
> new version was released. Prior to the product being offered free I could
> contact Autodesk and get support when needed.
>
> In short, Autodesk products are free to students and staff/faculty when
> used for educational purposes. I had to resort to forums and other avenues
> to get tech support.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Jim Pruitt
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar <msuhar@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Many companies are trying to jump on the subscription band wagon. It is a
>> way to keep a steady flow of income. Unfortunately, hobbyists are left
>> out in the cold. I have version 7.5 with the hobbyist license. I just
>> tried to get 7.7 but the download pulls in version 8.0. I did not install
>> it.
>>
>> If you are not using the software on a regular basis I assume you could
>> go with the monthly subscription for a month then drop it. Pick up again
>> a few months later when you start another project and need more than the
>> freeware capabilities.
>>
>> Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
>> actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
>> require some form of proof.
>>
>> Mike
>> W8RKO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John
>> Ackermann N8UR
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 17:14
>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>> Subject: [time-nuts] Autodesk Eagle -- maybe they're listening
>>
>> Autodesk just sent a follow-up to my "new price model unacceptable"
>> complaint a few days ago. It looks like they are going to upgrade the
>> "Standard" subscription ($100/year) to support 4 layer boards up to 160
>> cm2, which I think matches the current standard version capabilities.
>> Here's a thread from the Autodesk forum:
>>
>> http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-
>> for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
>>
>> This is effective with the next release, which is supposed to be out in a
>> couple of weeks. (In the meantime, I've made sure to download every flavor
>> of installer for version 7.7.0, just in case...)
>>
>>
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Tue, Jan 24, 2017 4:05 PM
Or, switch to the best "free" open source solution, which is KiCad.
Eagle had a bunch of quirks. I hear KiCad has a different set of quirks.
So a learning curve to get up on KiCad and, for me, an issue migrating ten
years personal library of component foot-prints.
I heard a blogger suggest that if you move to KiCad, make a donation in the
amount of the old $69 Eagle license fee to the KiCad development team.
--- Graham
==
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:01 PM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:
On 1/23/17 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote:
Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
require some form of proof.
The usual hack for that is to enroll in a single class at the local
community college, which you don't need to pass, just enroll, so you get
the student ID.
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Or, switch to the best "free" open source solution, which is KiCad.
Eagle had a bunch of quirks. I hear KiCad has a different set of quirks.
So a learning curve to get up on KiCad and, for me, an issue migrating ten
years personal library of component foot-prints.
I heard a blogger suggest that if you move to KiCad, make a donation in the
amount of the old $69 Eagle license fee to the KiCad development team.
--- Graham
==
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:01 PM, jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 1/23/17 4:56 PM, Mike Suhar wrote:
>
> Looks like they have a student version but the way I read it you have to
>> actually be a student enrolled in an education institution. I assume they
>> require some form of proof.
>>
>>
> The usual hack for that is to enroll in a single class at the local
> community college, which you don't need to pass, just enroll, so you get
> the student ID.
>
>
>
>
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