Re: [time-nuts] Question about SA.33 Rb clock
kb8tq@n1k.org said:
Today DDS based loops let manufacturers use a lot more cells than they
could use “back in the old days”.
I'd expect that to produce close in spurs that would be ugly in some
applications.
Is that info in the data sheet and/or are designers clued in?
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I am running an HP 3048 under HTBasic and I
have a nice looking phase noise graph on the
screen. I want to export the graph to the
world outside of RMB. Using the "Hard Copy" or "Plot"
function keys does nothing, probably because
I don't have an HP-IB printer or plotter
connected. (I actually have the extremely
rare HP-IB printer on hand, but I don't want a paper
copy, I want a .bmp or something like that).
I see that HTBasic has a Win-Print driver,
so I loaded that FWIW. I don't see how to
make the RMB software connect to it. The
HTBasic manual discusses how to print text
using this driver, but I want to print (or
plot) graphics.
The HTBasic site also shows a Microsoft
supplied HPGL filter that sounds like it
might emulate a pen plotter. The HTBasic
manual says that you can write "PLOTTER IS
<filename>". Maybe that will work. I see
in the existing RMB code the program calls
line 25148 PLOTTER IS CRT and elsewhere
PLOTTER IS HPGL. The 3048 help file says
holding down the shift key while pushing
the Plot button redirects to the HPGL plotter.
Can I simply replace "HPGL" with "<filename>
or something?
Then there are the Result (RESU) files. Does
anyone know how to translate them into
anything readable?
As a last resort, I am using the keyboard's
"Print Screen" key to copy the screen to the
Windows 7 clipboard. It is then available
to any Windows program. That's clumsy but
better than nothing.
As a hardware engineer, even this simple software
stuff is above my pay grade. Any help would
be appreciated.
When I first got the 3048, I tried PN3048.
I realize it can effortlessly export graphs.
According to the author, it does not support
various features that I need (and apparently
never will). So I am stuck in the RMB world.
Rick N6RK
I don't believe there's a way to save images from within HTBasic, although there certainly should be. I use the "Snipping Tool" accessory in Windows 7 for that sort of thing. It probably exists in all versions of WIndows including 10, but who knows what they call it these days.
If you create a shortcut key for the tool, it's easy to invoke whenever needed. Hit ctrl-shift-C (in my case), wait for the tool to come up, and drag a box around the graph or other content to be cropped and saved. The image can then be saved as a .PNG, .GIF, or .JPG, or pasted directly into a document.
The RESU files saved by 3048A.BAS are similar to the .res files saved by PN3048, and PN3048 can load them directly if you select 'All files' in the file-open dialog. You can then save the graph or the entire window as a .PNG file. TimeLab ( http://www.miles.io/timelab/beta.htm ) can also import them (File->Import .RES or .PNP noise data) and save images (File->Save image or .TIM file or File->Copy image to clipboard). But if all you want is a .PNG, the snipping tool is much easier than dealing with any of this stuff.
-- john, KE5FX
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Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:03 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] HP 3048 question: how to export graphs?
I am running an HP 3048 under HTBasic and I
have a nice looking phase noise graph on the
screen. I want to export the graph to the
world outside of RMB...
I can't speak to the 3048 but for screen captures I used to use the snipping
tool, but have recently started using Irfanview. You can run it in the
background and with a single command (I use Ctrl+F11) can copy the full screen
or window and save it instantly in a format and location of your choice or to
the clipboard.
Wes N7WS
On 10/15/2017 12:46 PM, John Miles wrote:
I don't believe there's a way to save images from within HTBasic, although there certainly should be. I use the "Snipping Tool" accessory in Windows 7 for that sort of thing. It probably exists in all versions of WIndows including 10, but who knows what they call it these days.
If you create a shortcut key for the tool, it's easy to invoke whenever needed. Hit ctrl-shift-C (in my case), wait for the tool to come up, and drag a box around the graph or other content to be cropped and saved. The image can then be saved as a .PNG, .GIF, or .JPG, or pasted directly into a document.
The RESU files saved by 3048A.BAS are similar to the .res files saved by PN3048, and PN3048 can load them directly if you select 'All files' in the file-open dialog. You can then save the graph or the entire window as a .PNG file. TimeLab ( http://www.miles.io/timelab/beta.htm ) can also import them (File->Import .RES or .PNP noise data) and save images (File->Save image or .TIM file or File->Copy image to clipboard). But if all you want is a .PNG, the snipping tool is much easier than dealing with any of this stuff.
-- john, KE5FX
There is also a utility called Cropper that works really well with a lot of
options:
https://github.com/brhinescot/Cropper
Dave
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From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Wes
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 13:29
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 3048 question: how to export graphs?
I can't speak to the 3048 but for screen captures I used to
use the snipping
tool, but have recently started using Irfanview. You can run
it in the
background and with a single command (I use Ctrl+F11) can
copy the full screen
or window and save it instantly in a format and location of
your choice or to
the clipboard.
Wes N7WS
On 10/15/2017 12:46 PM, John Miles wrote:
I don't believe there's a way to save images from within
HTBasic, although there certainly should be. I use the
"Snipping Tool" accessory in Windows 7 for that sort of
thing. It probably exists in all versions of WIndows
including 10, but who knows what they call it these days.
If you create a shortcut key for the tool, it's easy to
invoke whenever needed. Hit ctrl-shift-C (in my case), wait
for the tool to come up, and drag a box around the graph or
other content to be cropped and saved. The image can then be
saved as a .PNG, .GIF, or .JPG, or pasted directly into a document.
The RESU files saved by 3048A.BAS are similar to the .res
files saved by PN3048, and PN3048 can load them directly if
you select 'All files' in the file-open dialog. You can
then save the graph or the entire window as a .PNG file.
TimeLab ( http://www.miles.io/timelab/beta.htm ) can also
import them (File->Import .RES or .PNP noise data) and save
images (File->Save image or .TIM file or File->Copy image to
clipboard). But if all you want is a .PNG, the snipping tool
is much easier than dealing with any of this stuff.
-- john, KE5FX
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Hi
On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:
kb8tq@n1k.org said:
Today DDS based loops let manufacturers use a lot more cells than they
could use “back in the old days”.
I'd expect that to produce close in spurs that would be ugly in some
applications.
Is that info in the data sheet and/or are designers clued in?
Welcome to any number of telecom Rb’s ….
The gotcha is that the spur spec’s are not always met. As you might guess, doing
testing over really wide DDS ranges is impractical. Some designs use cleanup loops.
The gotcha then becomes a spur (say at 0.053 Hz) that is inside the cleanup loop
bandwidth ….
Bob
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How about PrintCapture with a Prologix interface?
On 15/10/2017 20:03, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
I am running an HP 3048 under HTBasic and I
have a nice looking phase noise graph on the
screen. I want to export the graph to the
world outside of RMB. Using the "Hard Copy" or "Plot"
function keys does nothing, probably because
I don't have an HP-IB printer or plotter
connected. (I actually have the extremely
rare HP-IB printer on hand, but I don't want a paper
copy, I want a .bmp or something like that).
I see that HTBasic has a Win-Print driver,
so I loaded that FWIW. I don't see how to
make the RMB software connect to it. The
HTBasic manual discusses how to print text
using this driver, but I want to print (or
plot) graphics.
The HTBasic site also shows a Microsoft
supplied HPGL filter that sounds like it
might emulate a pen plotter. The HTBasic
manual says that you can write "PLOTTER IS
<filename>". Maybe that will work. I see
in the existing RMB code the program calls
line 25148 PLOTTER IS CRT and elsewhere
PLOTTER IS HPGL. The 3048 help file says
holding down the shift key while pushing
the Plot button redirects to the HPGL plotter.
Can I simply replace "HPGL" with "<filename>
or something?
Then there are the Result (RESU) files. Does
anyone know how to translate them into
anything readable?
As a last resort, I am using the keyboard's
"Print Screen" key to copy the screen to the
Windows 7 clipboard. It is then available
to any Windows program. That's clumsy but
better than nothing.
As a hardware engineer, even this simple software
stuff is above my pay grade. Any help would
be appreciated.
When I first got the 3048, I tried PN3048.
I realize it can effortlessly export graphs.
According to the author, it does not support
various features that I need (and apparently
never will). So I am stuck in the RMB world.
Rick N6RK
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