In message BAY180-W7090896641BC03A9F3E8E894CB0@phx.gbl, Bryan _ writes:

There are some very informative articles about quartz crystals in
Bell Systems Technical Journal (on archive.org for instance)

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Hi

It’s interesting how much controversy that film stirred up. Literally 30 years after
it was made, you could get a fairly excited conversation going about it at the FCS.
On one side were the people who felt it was a sweetheart deal to Reves at a point that
other companies were being prosecuted for “excess profits”. On the other side were
the guys with Reves badges  and those who believed it did serve an honest purpose.

Bob

I watched this video totally in awe at how much "hands-on" processing was required.  I am not sure what I thought before, but I suppose this level of work was done for most every technical thing back then.  I really got a huge kick out of seeing every step of the process.  I was also in awe of the machines that were made specifically for the manufacturing process - the testers, the vacuum chamber, the meters, the cold box!  However, I was a bit concerned at the somewhat relaxed attitude and working conditions, specifically around the X-RAY devices and found myself hoping that they were well shielded!  I couldn't imagine wearing rings (or nail polish) on my fingers and working with oil, water, abrasive grit, soap, etching acid, neutralizer, etc. every day and not wearing gloves - my hands would have been wrecked!  I got such a great sense of not only how these things were made, but also how the working environment must have been.  I couldn't imagine doing any of those tasks for more than a month straight before I would go batty.  I have a ton of respect for the women and men who hand checked every single sliver of quartz and who tested, retested, etched and re-etched thousands of crystals.

Would you please expand more on what controversy you are referencing?  I didn't really see anything controversial there, except maybe the working conditions/safety hazards!  Maybe I need to watch it again and not be so engrossed with the technical and working aspects?

Thanks for your thoughts, and thank you to whomever linked it - I really enjoyed it!  Any others I should see?

-Randal R
	(at CubeCentral)

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Hi

It’s interesting how much controversy that film stirred up. Literally 30 years after it was made, you could get a fairly excited conversation going about it at the FCS.
On one side were the people who felt it was a sweetheart deal to Reves at a point that other companies were being prosecuted for “excess profits”. On the other side were the guys with Reves badges  and those who believed it did serve an honest purpose.

Bob

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Hi

The film on YouTube was done by a crystal manufacturing company. The production of the film
was paid for by the US Government. The company made a chunk of money off of making the film and then
preceded to use it as advertising for the next 20 years.

If you dropped in to a crystal manufacturing plant at any point over the next 30 years after that film
was made, the styles of dress had changed. The crystal holders had changed. Most of the processes
were still the same and some of the gear was still the same ….

Bob

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 09:53:04 -0400
Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Apropos: I would very much like to visit a modern crystal factory.
Is there a chance that any of the listening time-nuts have contacts
to such a plant and would be willing to help in such an endavour?

		Attila Kinali

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Subject: [time-nuts] Visiting a modern crystal factory (was: Vintage Quartz Crystal Manufacturing)

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 09:53:04 -0400
Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Apropos: I would very much like to visit a modern crystal factory.
Is there a chance that any of the listening time-nuts have contacts
to such a plant and would be willing to help in such an endavour?

		Attila Kinali

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Attila,

On 09/25/2016 04:00 PM, Attila Kinali wrote:

You are not the only one who would enjoy that.
The closest I've been would be the Besancon crystal lab where the BVA
was developed originally. However, from that Oscilloquartz kept refining
the process just as any other vendor with a bit of pride would do.

Cheers,
Magnus

So cynical, Bob.  ☺

The fact is that many, many short films of this type were made during WWII
and to a lesser extent during the Cold War, primarily for educational
awareness of the general pubic as well as members of the armed forces. A
great uncle of mine who was an executive at RCA oversaw the making of
several of these films. I do not believe that the companies profited
greatly from their production. As to advertising, would watching that film
make you run out and buy a box of crystals?

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

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Hi

As I said, there was more than one side to the controversy.

The crystal industry being what it was, what one company knew, the others
soon knew. Indeed, there was money made on the film ….

Bob