DirecTV and DishNetwork are on Ku-Band platforms.
Ku-Band is not affected by sun outage.

Don
W4WJ

In a message dated 11/4/2016 3:52:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
paulswedb@gmail.com writes:

Ummmm  with respect to direct TV is it the noramal two time per year sun
outage  its about the right time.
Regards
Paul.

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Sorry Don, I beg to differ.  The effects are often not noticeable in these
days of digital television, but the noise-floor can definitely be seen to
rise dramatically on a spectrum analyser.

 Regards  (ex BBC TV, London)

On 4 November 2016 at 21:51, Don Murray via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com
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On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 05:51:35PM -0400, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:

I beg to differ !!!

The sun is still plenty energetic enough at 10-12 Ghz to

override weak satellite transmissions.

In fact the solar flux is measured at 10 Ghz...

Solar outages are not greatly worse on C band.

It WAS true that EIRPs at C band were kept lower at one time (to

protect the now mostly completely abandoned terrestrial C band microwave
telephone network which shares 3.7-4.2 Ghz with C band satellite) than
at Ku band, but that is less true today...

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On 11/4/2016 6:04 PM, Peter Vince wrote:

I no longer have DISH but I did have it a year ago and the outage
happened every year like clockwork , they even sent me a notice that I
could expect a sun outage and I did.. I also experienced outages every
time a thunderhead at 30,0000+ feet got between me and the satellite as well

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On 11/4/2016 2:51 PM, Don Murray via time-nuts wrote:

The backhaul on C band might be affected.

Rick

On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 06:19:13PM -0400, David I. Emery wrote:

Since folks have brought this up, a couple of more observations

are relevant.

C band has MUCH less weather absorption by normal storms...

Ku band satellite signal fades from rain in passing

thunderstorms often can and do exceed 10-12 db...

This means in practice that C band link budgets can get by with

significantly lower margin to handle rain fades...

So many Ku signals are run with big margins of excess signal so

as to reduce the number of seconds of reception lost to passing
thunderstorms .... something not needed as much for C band.

Thus a C band dish sized to just work reliably will have less

margin for the noise floor to rise as the sun goes past the satellite.
But it DOES rise for Ku dishes as well, just they may be sized to have
more margin and/or the satellite power is higher.

Some home DTH dishes don't leave much margin, others are better.

But it is not true that the sky noise temp doesn't go up a lot 

at Ku band during sun outage season or that for some dishes and some signals
this will not eat the margin up and "ku does not have sun outages".

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'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in
celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."

On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 18:23:16 -0400, you wrote:

We have Dish outages a couple times a year here in Missouri do to
thunderheads.  I might have thought that was do a particular dish and
receiver but when they were both upgraded, the outages do to
thunderheads remained.