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Anthorn eLoran

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GandalfG8@aol.com
Tue, May 9, 2017 7:28 PM

Iain Young wrote:
I now have all four with green tracking lights, so  looks good to go

Thanks Iain,

Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all,  although
very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-)

Nigel, GM8PZR

Iain Young wrote: I now have all four with green tracking lights, so looks good to go Thanks Iain, Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all, although very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-) Nigel, GM8PZR
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Iain Young
Wed, May 10, 2017 9:58 AM

On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:

Iain Young wrote:
I now have all four with green tracking lights, so  looks good to go

Thanks Iain,

Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all,  although
very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-)

I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests
antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on
once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again
the next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door)

Iain

On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: > Iain Young wrote: > I now have all four with green tracking lights, so looks good to go > > Thanks Iain, > > Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all, although > very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-) > I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again the next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door) Iain
PV
Peter Vince
Wed, May 10, 2017 3:38 PM

I gather there is an intermittent fault that is taking out a fuse, which
they are, necessarily, working hard to rectify.

Peter

On 10 May 2017 at 10:58, Iain Young iain@g7iii.net wrote:

On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:

Iain Young wrote:
I now have all four with green tracking lights, so  looks good to go

Thanks Iain,

Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all,  although
very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-)

I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests
antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on
once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again the
next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door)

Iain


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I gather there is an intermittent fault that is taking out a fuse, which they are, necessarily, working hard to rectify. Peter On 10 May 2017 at 10:58, Iain Young <iain@g7iii.net> wrote: > On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: > >> Iain Young wrote: >> I now have all four with green tracking lights, so looks good to go >> >> Thanks Iain, >> >> Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all, although >> very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-) >> >> > I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests > antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on > once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again the > next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door) > > > Iain > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Alan Melia
Wed, May 10, 2017 8:22 PM

Hi Peter
Ah that sounds more like it. Aerial maintenaance shuts down the whole site
these dats including MSF.  There is really no reason for them to keep it
running but I think Trinity House are paying the bill. It cannot be used for
nav without Lessay and the output from Sylt, So I muse that they are keeping
it powered up because the equipment is quite old now (1990s vintage, the
unused kit destined for Loop Head in Ireland) and if the leave it off for
any length of time it just wont start again :-))  We all know that syndrome
!

I dont know if this is correct but I got the feeling it was not running
anything like full power??

Alan
G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Vince" petervince1952@gmail.com
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
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Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Anthorn eLoran

I gather there is an intermittent fault that is taking out a fuse, which
they are, necessarily, working hard to rectify.

Peter

On 10 May 2017 at 10:58, Iain Young iain@g7iii.net wrote:

On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:

Iain Young wrote:
I now have all four with green tracking lights, so  looks good to go

Thanks Iain,

Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all,
although
very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-)

I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests
antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on
once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again the
next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door)

Iain


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Hi Peter Ah that sounds more like it. Aerial maintenaance shuts down the whole site these dats including MSF. There is really no reason for them to keep it running but I think Trinity House are paying the bill. It cannot be used for nav without Lessay and the output from Sylt, So I muse that they are keeping it powered up because the equipment is quite old now (1990s vintage, the unused kit destined for Loop Head in Ireland) and if the leave it off for any length of time it just wont start again :-)) We all know that syndrome ! I dont know if this is correct but I got the feeling it was not running anything like full power?? Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vince" <petervince1952@gmail.com> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Anthorn eLoran >I gather there is an intermittent fault that is taking out a fuse, which > they are, necessarily, working hard to rectify. > > Peter > > > On 10 May 2017 at 10:58, Iain Young <iain@g7iii.net> wrote: > >> On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: >> >>> Iain Young wrote: >>> I now have all four with green tracking lights, so looks good to go >>> >>> Thanks Iain, >>> >>> Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all, >>> although >>> very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-) >>> >>> >> I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests >> antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on >> once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again the >> next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door) >> >> >> Iain >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m >> ailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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paul swed
Wed, May 10, 2017 10:13 PM

Its been quite the interesting read. I agree with the behavior of an
antenna issue. They should just use a larger penny. That tends to work for
a bit of time.
I suspect the reason to keep it going though is to test eloran's time
dissemination. The other sites are not needed for this purpose. In the US
there is only one site and they fake out a second site with a delay so that
the austrons and other receivers are happy. And it works. When the sites up
its great to see the receivers all locked.
No navigation though.

However there have been some comments made by pretty smart people that I
actually may believe that even with 1 site its possible to navigate. Please
don't throw stones. But given the quality of a local Rb references today
might it be possible?
The new eLoran gives about a 10 X and more frequency/time accuracy.
OK I am in very dangerous waters here. I hope I don't run onto the shoals.
Humor intended.
Reagrds
Paul
WB8TSL

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Alan Melia alan.melia@btinternet.com
wrote:

Hi Peter
Ah that sounds more like it. Aerial maintenaance shuts down the whole site
these dats including MSF.  There is really no reason for them to keep it
running but I think Trinity House are paying the bill. It cannot be used
for nav without Lessay and the output from Sylt, So I muse that they are
keeping it powered up because the equipment is quite old now (1990s
vintage, the unused kit destined for Loop Head in Ireland) and if the leave
it off for any length of time it just wont start again :-))  We all know
that syndrome !

I dont know if this is correct but I got the feeling it was not running
anything like full power??

Alan
G3NYK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vince" <petervince1952@gmail.com

To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <
time-nuts@febo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Anthorn eLoran

I gather there is an intermittent fault that is taking out a fuse, which

they are, necessarily, working hard to rectify.

Peter

On 10 May 2017 at 10:58, Iain Young iain@g7iii.net wrote:

On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:

Iain Young wrote:

I now have all four with green tracking lights, so  looks good to go

Thanks Iain,

Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all,
although
very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-)

I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests

antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on
once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again the
next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door)

Iain


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Its been quite the interesting read. I agree with the behavior of an antenna issue. They should just use a larger penny. That tends to work for a bit of time. I suspect the reason to keep it going though is to test eloran's time dissemination. The other sites are not needed for this purpose. In the US there is only one site and they fake out a second site with a delay so that the austrons and other receivers are happy. And it works. When the sites up its great to see the receivers all locked. No navigation though. However there have been some comments made by pretty smart people that I actually may believe that even with 1 site its possible to navigate. Please don't throw stones. But given the quality of a local Rb references today might it be possible? The new eLoran gives about a 10 X and more frequency/time accuracy. OK I am in very dangerous waters here. I hope I don't run onto the shoals. Humor intended. Reagrds Paul WB8TSL On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Peter > Ah that sounds more like it. Aerial maintenaance shuts down the whole site > these dats including MSF. There is really no reason for them to keep it > running but I think Trinity House are paying the bill. It cannot be used > for nav without Lessay and the output from Sylt, So I muse that they are > keeping it powered up because the equipment is quite old now (1990s > vintage, the unused kit destined for Loop Head in Ireland) and if the leave > it off for any length of time it just wont start again :-)) We all know > that syndrome ! > > I dont know if this is correct but I got the feeling it was not running > anything like full power?? > > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vince" <petervince1952@gmail.com > > > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" < > time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Anthorn eLoran > > > I gather there is an intermittent fault that is taking out a fuse, which >> they are, necessarily, working hard to rectify. >> >> Peter >> >> >> On 10 May 2017 at 10:58, Iain Young <iain@g7iii.net> wrote: >> >> On 09/05/17 20:28, moGandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: >>> >>> Iain Young wrote: >>>> I now have all four with green tracking lights, so looks good to go >>>> >>>> Thanks Iain, >>>> >>>> Also looking good here now so seems like I cried wolf after all, >>>> although >>>> very happy it wasn't anything more permanent:-) >>>> >>>> >>>> I noted this morning, mine were all "Red" again. This very much suggests >>> antenna maintenance (Off while they work on it during the day, and on >>> once they've finished the day's work before starting work on it again the >>> next morning, rather like they do with MSF next door) >>> >>> >>> Iain >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m >>> ailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m >> ailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/m > ailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
PV
Peter Vince
Wed, May 10, 2017 11:41 PM

Hi Alan,

 I get the impression there is a new project under development to make

it a commercial operation - see:

http://www.taviga.com/

 Peter
Hi Alan, I get the impression there is a new project under development to make it a commercial operation - see: http://www.taviga.com/ Peter