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Screws in bottom of 3457A

DD
Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Sat, Jun 10, 2017 9:21 PM

I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to replace
the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the thing
together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The problem
is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me the
type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm
guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these in
the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its
difficult if you don't know what you want.

FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in
February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check
the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then
replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get before
and after data anyway.

  • This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was
    expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery.

My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it
deserves a check over.

Dave

I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to replace the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the thing together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The problem is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me the type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these in the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its difficult if you don't know what you want. FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get before and after data anyway. * This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery. My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it deserves a check over. Dave
CH
Chuck Harris
Sat, Jun 10, 2017 10:02 PM

HP has been metric for years.

Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote:

I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to replace
the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the thing
together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The problem
is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me the
type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm
guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these in
the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its
difficult if you don't know what you want.

FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in
February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check
the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then
replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get before
and after data anyway.

  • This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was
    expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery.

My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it
deserves a check over.

Dave


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HP has been metric for years. Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to replace > the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the thing > together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The problem > is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me the > type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm > guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these in > the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its > difficult if you don't know what you want. > > FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in > February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check > the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then > replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get before > and after data anyway. > > * This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was > expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery. > > My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it > deserves a check over. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
JH
Jerry Hancock
Sat, Jun 10, 2017 11:46 PM

John, I measured the threads to be metric at .7mm pitch.  I believe it to be an M4 x .7 x 49mm though most likely a 50mm will work or even a 48mm (length).

On Jun 10, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:

HP has been metric for years.

Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote:

I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to replace
the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the thing
together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The problem
is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me the
type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm
guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these in
the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its
difficult if you don't know what you want.

FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in
February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check
the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then
replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get before
and after data anyway.

  • This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was
    expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery.

My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it
deserves a check over.

Dave


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John, I measured the threads to be metric at .7mm pitch. I believe it to be an M4 x .7 x 49mm though most likely a 50mm will work or even a 48mm (length). > On Jun 10, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: > > HP has been metric for years. > > Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: >> I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to replace >> the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the thing >> together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The problem >> is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me the >> type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm >> guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these in >> the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its >> difficult if you don't know what you want. >> >> FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in >> February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check >> the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then >> replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get before >> and after data anyway. >> >> * This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was >> expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery. >> >> My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it >> deserves a check over. >> >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
JP
John Phillips
Sun, Jun 11, 2017 7:19 AM

If you are sending it in you could just tape the cases halves together and
let them replace the screws. You may want to check with them about it but I
would be more surprised than not if they charged you for it.

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Jerry Hancock jerry@hanler.com wrote:

John, I measured the threads to be metric at .7mm pitch.  I believe it to
be an M4 x .7 x 49mm though most likely a 50mm will work or even a 48mm
(length).

On Jun 10, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:

HP has been metric for years.

Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote:

I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to

replace

the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the

thing

together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The

problem

is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me

the

type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm
guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these

in

the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its
difficult if you don't know what you want.

FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in
February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check
the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then
replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get

before

and after data anyway.

  • This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was
    expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery.

My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it
deserves a check over.

Dave


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If you are sending it in you could just tape the cases halves together and let them replace the screws. You may want to check with them about it but I would be more surprised than not if they charged you for it. On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Jerry Hancock <jerry@hanler.com> wrote: > John, I measured the threads to be metric at .7mm pitch. I believe it to > be an M4 x .7 x 49mm though most likely a 50mm will work or even a 48mm > (length). > > > > On Jun 10, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: > > > > HP has been metric for years. > > > > Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > >> I've done something rather stupid with my 3457A. I took it apart to > replace > >> the battery, and then seem to have mislaid the screws that hold the > thing > >> together. As far as I can see, there are 4 screws in the base. The > problem > >> is, I don't know what type they are. Could anyone with a 3457A tell me > the > >> type - a photo with dimensions on emailed to me would be great. I'm > >> guessing these will be an American thread of some sort. I can get these > in > >> the UK, although not quite as readily as metric. But of course its > >> difficult if you don't know what you want. > >> > >> FWIW, I decided not to change the battery. Having visited Keysight in > >> February, their cal lab manager said if I asked for it, they would check > >> the calibration of the instrument before replacing the battery, then > >> replace the battery at zero cost*, then calibrate it. So I would get > before > >> and after data anyway. > >> > >> * This assumes the battery is not very expensive. If the battery was > >> expensive, I'd have to pay for the battery. > >> > >> My 3457A has not seen a cal lab in a couple of decades, so I think it > >> deserves a check over. > >> > >> Dave > >> _______________________________________________ > >> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > >> and follow the instructions there. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- *John Phillips*
DD
Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Sun, Jun 11, 2017 7:03 PM

On 11 June 2017 at 08:19, John Phillips john.phillips0@gmail.com wrote:

If you are sending it in you could just tape the cases halves together and
let them replace the screws. You may want to check with them about it but I
would be more surprised than not if they charged you for it.

I don't want to push my luck. From what I understand, if something goes
into Keysight for "repair", the repair is performed before any measurements
are taken of the instrument. When my 4284A LCR meter was sent to Keysight,
I did not get any information about the state it was sent, as a software
upgrade (support for 2 m and 4 m cables) was added before the instrument
was calibrated. The upgrade was free.

So they would seem to be doing me a favor by checking the meter, then
changing the battery, then checking calibrating it. This is not normal
practice, so I'm not keen to send the 3457A in bits, if I can put it back
together. M4 screws are very easy to obtain in the UK, I will see if I have
some 45 / 50 mm ones, but if not, will order some.

Dave

On 11 June 2017 at 08:19, John Phillips <john.phillips0@gmail.com> wrote: > If you are sending it in you could just tape the cases halves together and > let them replace the screws. You may want to check with them about it but I > would be more surprised than not if they charged you for it. > I don't want to push my luck. From what I understand, if something goes into Keysight for "repair", the repair is performed before any measurements are taken of the instrument. When my 4284A LCR meter was sent to Keysight, I did not get any information about the state it was sent, as a software upgrade (support for 2 m and 4 m cables) was added before the instrument was calibrated. The upgrade was free. So they would seem to be doing me a favor by checking the meter, then changing the battery, then checking calibrating it. This is not normal practice, so I'm not keen to send the 3457A in bits, if I can put it back together. M4 screws are very easy to obtain in the UK, I will see if I have some 45 / 50 mm ones, but if not, will order some. Dave