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Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt baseplate size (mass)

E
EWKehren@aol.com
Tue, Jul 25, 2017 1:53 PM

Unlike Rb's Tbolts do not need a heatsink. The OCXO to some degree holds
the board temperature wise constant. We all know that walking past it we see
a  change. That is not the OCXO but the board and our tests show that the
DAC which  is not a DAC in the classical way  has a 1 E-10 per C sensitivity.
No  temperature or voltage control.
Bert Kehren

In a message dated 7/25/2017 9:06:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kb8tq@n1k.org writes:

Hi

It  gets back to the term “optimum performance” and the Time Nut bias
towards  eliminating any source of degradation. Even while locked,
temperature
does  get into the DAC. Blow some air on a unit and watch things move
around.
It  does not go unlocked. It does not exceed any of the specs on it. It
does  move
a bit and you can see the “bump” in a phase plot. Simply blocking  drafts
is a good
first step.

Bob

On Jul 24, 2017, at  8:33 PM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:

Interesting discussion. I simply have my TBolt bolted onto an  Aluminium
rack panel so I could rack it. I wasn't aware there was any  special need
beyond that? Right?
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Bob kb8tq  kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

Hi

The TBolt is a great unit !!

The main source of  temperature impact is the DAC / Voltage reference.
Since that is  a
“distributed” circuit, the temperature control also needs to  cover more
than just the backplate.

Bob

On Jul 24, 2017, at  6:37 PM, Norm n3ykf normanlizeth@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all!

Allowing a friend to  borrow a tbolt.

Is it necessary to cool  (maintain a certain) baseplate temperature for
optimum  performance?

Currenlty mounted inside an  aluminum chassis. It's screwed to an
aluminum sheet that  covers around 2/3 the base.

Thanks,

Norm n3ykf


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Unlike Rb's Tbolts do not need a heatsink. The OCXO to some degree holds the board temperature wise constant. We all know that walking past it we see a change. That is not the OCXO but the board and our tests show that the DAC which is not a DAC in the classical way has a 1 E-10 per C sensitivity. No temperature or voltage control. Bert Kehren In a message dated 7/25/2017 9:06:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kb8tq@n1k.org writes: Hi It gets back to the term “optimum performance” and the Time Nut bias towards eliminating any source of degradation. Even while locked, temperature does get into the DAC. Blow some air on a unit and watch things move around. It does not go unlocked. It does not exceed any of the specs on it. It does move a bit and you can see the “bump” in a phase plot. Simply blocking drafts is a good first step. Bob > On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:33 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Interesting discussion. I simply have my TBolt bolted onto an Aluminium > rack panel so I could rack it. I wasn't aware there was any special need > beyond that? Right? > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Bob kb8tq <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> The TBolt is a great unit !! >> >> The main source of temperature impact is the DAC / Voltage reference. >> Since that is a >> “distributed” circuit, the temperature control also needs to cover more >> than just the backplate. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Norm n3ykf <normanlizeth@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> Allowing a friend to borrow a tbolt. >>> >>> Is it necessary to cool (maintain a certain) baseplate temperature for >>> optimum performance? >>> >>> Currenlty mounted inside an aluminum chassis. It's screwed to an >>> aluminum sheet that covers around 2/3 the base. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Norm n3ykf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Attila Kinali
Tue, Jul 25, 2017 6:56 PM

Hoi Bert,

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 09:53:32 -0400
Bert Kehren via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

That is not the OCXO but the board and our tests show that the
DAC which  is not a DAC in the classical way  has a 1 E-10 per C sensitivity.

What do you mean by "is not a DAC in the classical way"?

		Attila Kinali

--
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don't alters their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to
fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the
facts that needs altering.  -- The Doctor

Hoi Bert, On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 09:53:32 -0400 Bert Kehren via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > That is not the OCXO but the board and our tests show that the > DAC which is not a DAC in the classical way has a 1 E-10 per C sensitivity. What do you mean by "is not a DAC in the classical way"? Attila Kinali -- You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alters their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. -- The Doctor