AG
Adrian Godwin
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 6:59 PM
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
PS
paul swed
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 10:15 PM
Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
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Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
>
> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>
> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
> Or is there a kinder way ?
>
> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
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Scott Stobbe
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 10:21 PM
You could try heating the transistor and bushing then give the to5 a shot
of cold spray or supper duster hoping it will shrink enough to slide out.
On Sunday, 6 November 2016, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
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You could try heating the transistor and bushing then give the to5 a shot
of cold spray or supper duster hoping it will shrink enough to slide out.
On Sunday, 6 November 2016, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
>
> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>
> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
> Or is there a kinder way ?
>
> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
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djl
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 10:46 PM
Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat
sink on it.
73, Don
On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually
made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's
after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy
to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of
breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com
wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a
TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and
LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove
the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A
oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
clock).
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Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat
sink on it.
73, Don
On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
> Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually
> made
> that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
> decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
> doing
> some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's
> after
> all.
> How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
> On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy
> to
> replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of
> breaks
> the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
> Regards
> Paul
> WB8TSL
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a
>> TIC.
>>
>> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
>> bulb
>> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and
>> LDRs,
>> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
>> germanium
>> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>>
>> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
>> chassis.
>> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove
>> the
>> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
>> hammer ?
>> Or is there a kinder way ?
>>
>> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A
>> oscillator and
>> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
>> clock).
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Robert LaJeunesse
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 11:08 PM
Adrian,
Here's a picture of the package you have, with the TI logo on the "heatsink". I pulled it just now from an old car stereo. The PNP Germanium GC588 crosses - not correctly! - to a differently packaged NTE102A which is rated for 1A and 32V with some decent gain. I suspect the GC588 is closer to your 2N1038-2, which is rated 3A. If one or two of these (curve tracer tested, even) would help you just send me an address off list.
Bob LaJeunesse
Ann Arbor, MI
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 at 1:59 PM
From: "Adrian Godwin" artgodwin@gmail.com
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] HP 5275A
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
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Adrian,
Here's a picture of the package you have, with the TI logo on the "heatsink". I pulled it just now from an old car stereo. The PNP Germanium GC588 crosses - not correctly! - to a differently packaged NTE102A which is rated for 1A and 32V with some decent gain. I suspect the GC588 is closer to your 2N1038-2, which is rated 3A. If one or two of these (curve tracer tested, even) would help you just send me an address off list.
Bob LaJeunesse
Ann Arbor, MI
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 at 1:59 PM
> From: "Adrian Godwin" <artgodwin@gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com>
> Subject: [time-nuts] HP 5275A
>
> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
>
> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>
> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
> Or is there a kinder way ?
>
> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
> _______________________________________________
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Adrian Godwin
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 11:08 PM
Yes, further searching reveals that although the 2n1038 is T05, the -2
version is X26 - mounted in a stud by the factory. So it could well be
glued. 2N1038s aren't unobtainable though, so I'll keep it original if I
can. Even though a 7915 would be fine !
I was a bit puzzled by the insulators. Very metallic-looking. Then I
realised they're BeO. Pretty unusual these days (no, I won't be machining
them) so another reason to keep a T05 in there.
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 10:46 PM, djl djl@montana.com wrote:
Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat sink
on it.
73, Don
On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com
wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator
and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
clock).
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
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Yes, further searching reveals that although the 2n1038 is T05, the -2
version is X26 - mounted in a stud by the factory. So it could well be
glued. 2N1038s aren't unobtainable though, so I'll keep it original if I
can. Even though a 7915 would be fine !
I was a bit puzzled by the insulators. Very metallic-looking. Then I
realised they're BeO. Pretty unusual these days (no, I won't be machining
them) so another reason to keep a T05 in there.
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 10:46 PM, djl <djl@montana.com> wrote:
> Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
> indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
> 3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat sink
> on it.
> 73, Don
>
>
>
> On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
>
>> Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
>> that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
>> decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
>> doing
>> some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
>> all.
>> How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
>> On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
>> replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
>> the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
>> Regards
>> Paul
>> WB8TSL
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
>>>
>>> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
>>> bulb
>>> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
>>> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
>>> germanium
>>> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>>>
>>> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
>>> chassis.
>>> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
>>> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
>>> hammer ?
>>> Or is there a kinder way ?
>>>
>>> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator
>>> and
>>> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
>>> clock).
>>> _______________________________________________
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Glenn Little WB4UIV
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 11:16 PM
A 2N1038 is in a TO-5 or TO-11 package.
A 2N1038-2 is a modified or selected part.
Is this transistor pressed into a hexagonal bushing that is about 1/2 "
long with a 10-32 threaded stud for mounting?
If so the bushing/heatsink is part of the transistor.
A google search for 2N1038 will show this this transistor and a similar
one with the integral heatsink.
Glenn
On 11/6/2016 5:46 PM, djl wrote:
Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat
sink on it.
73, Don
On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's
after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com
wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a
TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove
the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A
oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
clock).
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A 2N1038 is in a TO-5 or TO-11 package.
A 2N1038-2 is a modified or selected part.
Is this transistor pressed into a hexagonal bushing that is about 1/2 "
long with a 10-32 threaded stud for mounting?
If so the bushing/heatsink is part of the transistor.
A google search for 2N1038 will show this this transistor and a similar
one with the integral heatsink.
Glenn
On 11/6/2016 5:46 PM, djl wrote:
> Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
> indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
> 3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat
> sink on it.
> 73, Don
>
>
> On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
>> Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
>> that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
>> decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
>> doing
>> some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's
>> after
>> all.
>> How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
>> On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
>> replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
>> the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
>> Regards
>> Paul
>> WB8TSL
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a
>>> TIC.
>>>
>>> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
>>> bulb
>>> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
>>> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
>>> germanium
>>> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>>>
>>> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
>>> chassis.
>>> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove
>>> the
>>> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
>>> hammer ?
>>> Or is there a kinder way ?
>>>
>>> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A
>>> oscillator and
>>> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
>>> clock).
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/
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Adrian Godwin
Sun, Nov 6, 2016 11:48 PM
Glenn,
I think you're describing what Robert has photographed.
There are some of those packages, but they're the 2N1373 driver transistors
and have a smaller mounting hole. I dismounted Q2 and found it's really a
2N2556 (but still T05) and similarly mounted, but in a bigger stud. The
threaded part is wide enough to hold the package itself.
Since the insulating washer can now be kept safe, I can probably just punch
or heat the T05 out (it has a hole right through the stud).
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV <
glennmaillist@bellsouth.net> wrote:
A 2N1038 is in a TO-5 or TO-11 package.
A 2N1038-2 is a modified or selected part.
Is this transistor pressed into a hexagonal bushing that is about 1/2 "
long with a 10-32 threaded stud for mounting?
If so the bushing/heatsink is part of the transistor.
A google search for 2N1038 will show this this transistor and a similar
one with the integral heatsink.
Glenn
On 11/6/2016 5:46 PM, djl wrote:
Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat
sink on it.
73, Don
On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's
after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com
wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a
TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove
the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A
oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
clock).
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Glenn,
I think you're describing what Robert has photographed.
There are some of those packages, but they're the 2N1373 driver transistors
and have a smaller mounting hole. I dismounted Q2 and found it's really a
2N2556 (but still T05) and similarly mounted, but in a bigger stud. The
threaded part is wide enough to hold the package itself.
Since the insulating washer can now be kept safe, I can probably just punch
or heat the T05 out (it has a hole right through the stud).
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV <
glennmaillist@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> A 2N1038 is in a TO-5 or TO-11 package.
> A 2N1038-2 is a modified or selected part.
> Is this transistor pressed into a hexagonal bushing that is about 1/2 "
> long with a 10-32 threaded stud for mounting?
> If so the bushing/heatsink is part of the transistor.
> A google search for 2N1038 will show this this transistor and a similar
> one with the integral heatsink.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On 11/6/2016 5:46 PM, djl wrote:
>
>> Just homemade opto-isolators. Used in choppers, too. The transistor was
>> indeed bonded to the heatsink. Just replace the whole thing with a
>> 3-legged regulator? or simply a modern PNP t0-220 with a little heat
>> sink on it.
>> 73, Don
>>
>>
>> On 2016-11-06 15:15, paul swed wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
>>> that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
>>> decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
>>> doing
>>> some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's
>>> after
>>> all.
>>> How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
>>> On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
>>> replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
>>> the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
>>> Regards
>>> Paul
>>> WB8TSL
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a
>>>> TIC.
>>>>
>>>> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
>>>> bulb
>>>> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
>>>> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
>>>> germanium
>>>> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>>>>
>>>> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
>>>> chassis.
>>>> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove
>>>> the
>>>> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
>>>> hammer ?
>>>> Or is there a kinder way ?
>>>>
>>>> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A
>>>> oscillator and
>>>> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
>>>> clock).
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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Howard Davidson
Mon, Nov 7, 2016 2:46 AM
The real hack in the 5245 Nixie tube decoder is that the neon lamps were
the memory element.
hld
On 11/6/2016 2:15 PM, paul swed wrote:
Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
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The real hack in the 5245 Nixie tube decoder is that the neon lamps were
the memory element.
hld
On 11/6/2016 2:15 PM, paul swed wrote:
> Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
> that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
> decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was doing
> some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
> all.
> How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
> On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
> replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
> the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
> Regards
> Paul
> WB8TSL
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
>>
>> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon bulb
>> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
>> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2 germanium
>> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>>
>> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the chassis.
>> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
>> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a hammer ?
>> Or is there a kinder way ?
>>
>> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator and
>> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum clock).
>> _______________________________________________
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Adrian Godwin
Wed, Nov 9, 2016 1:08 AM
I'm pleased to report this TIC is now running again (albeit with some
temporary hacks, such as a 7915 regulator).
There were a couple of dried-out electrolytics, the shorted series-pass
regulator referred to above, and an open-circuit 2N708 controlling the
timebase gating. Another 2N708 died when I failed to push a PCB fully into
its socket. They're rather delicate flowers - Silicon, but only 15V Vceo :
a bit tight when used as switches with a 15V or 13V rail. Replaced with
BC237s, though that's perhaps a bit slow.
This is the HP5275A from france that Poul-Henning Kamp mentioned in march
2015. It's been sitting here a while waiting for some attention
VID_20161109_003111.mp4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8q6sqvuGdFfMDI2aXA0NnFWRTg/view?usp=drive_web
Paul Swed : I'll add some HP9815 porn when I get it reading the 5275A
outputs.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Howard Davidson hld42@att.net wrote:
The real hack in the 5245 Nixie tube decoder is that the neon lamps were
the memory element.
hld
On 11/6/2016 2:15 PM, paul swed wrote:
Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
doing
some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
all.
How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin artgodwin@gmail.com
wrote:
Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
bulb
display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
germanium
T05 transistor in the power supply.
It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
chassis.
I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
hammer ?
Or is there a kinder way ?
(I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator
and
a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
clock).
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/
mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.
I'm pleased to report this TIC is now running again (albeit with some
temporary hacks, such as a 7915 regulator).
There were a couple of dried-out electrolytics, the shorted series-pass
regulator referred to above, and an open-circuit 2N708 controlling the
timebase gating. Another 2N708 died when I failed to push a PCB fully into
its socket. They're rather delicate flowers - Silicon, but only 15V Vceo :
a bit tight when used as switches with a 15V or 13V rail. Replaced with
BC237s, though that's perhaps a bit slow.
This is the HP5275A from france that Poul-Henning Kamp mentioned in march
2015. It's been sitting here a while waiting for some attention
VID_20161109_003111.mp4
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8q6sqvuGdFfMDI2aXA0NnFWRTg/view?usp=drive_web>
Paul Swed : I'll add some HP9815 porn when I get it reading the 5275A
outputs.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Howard Davidson <hld42@att.net> wrote:
> The real hack in the 5245 Nixie tube decoder is that the neon lamps were
> the memory element.
>
>
> hld
>
>
>
> On 11/6/2016 2:15 PM, paul swed wrote:
>
>> Don't know what to say on the transistor. It may have been actually made
>> that way. They did lots of things back then. Yes familiar with the bcd
>> decoder its used in the 5245 class counters also. I think someone was
>> doing
>> some funny stuff at lunch time to come up with that. It was the 60's after
>> all.
>> How about some pix of a 9815 calc. That would be pretty neat.
>> On really old stuff if you can't find the part needed its pretty easy to
>> replace the whole function with modern answers. I know it sort of breaks
>> the original mode but for me at least its a case of getting it going.
>> Regards
>> Paul
>> WB8TSL
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Slightly off-topic, as this is a general repair question. But it's a TIC.
>>>
>>> I'm repairing a 5275A timer (all-discreet count logic to 100MHz, neon
>>> bulb
>>> display, a most amazing bcd to decimal decoder made from neons and LDRs,
>>> 1-2-2-4 decade counters ..) and the current problem is a 2n1038-2
>>> germanium
>>> T05 transistor in the power supply.
>>>
>>> It's mounted in an aluminium bush which is then isolated from the
>>> chassis.
>>> I don't think the bush is also a collet but I can't see how to remove the
>>> transistor. It resists ungentle pushing .. should I push it with a
>>> hammer ?
>>> Or is there a kinder way ?
>>>
>>> (I'm hoping to eventually put this into a system with a 101A oscillator
>>> and
>>> a 9815A calculator to measure the ADEV of a Boule electric pendulum
>>> clock).
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
>>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/
>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
>>> and follow the instructions there.
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