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Re: [time-nuts] DIY VNA design [VNA-Nuts?]

HM
Hal Murray
Tue, Aug 23, 2016 6:56 AM

Is there any advantage of using groups.io compared to a traditional
mailinglist? If not, I would prefer a traditional mailinglist. But maybe I
am just oldfashioned :-)

The obvious advantage is that there is a professional staff keeping things
running so you don't need your own admin/wizard.

The part I'm missing is where do they get their cash?  Are they adding ads?
(maybe only on the web version)  Are they collecting data and selling it?
(This list is public so a lot of data is already available.)

--
These are my opinions.  I hate spam.

attila@kinali.ch said: > Is there any advantage of using groups.io compared to a traditional > mailinglist? If not, I would prefer a traditional mailinglist. But maybe I > am just oldfashioned :-) The obvious advantage is that there is a professional staff keeping things running so you don't need your own admin/wizard. The part I'm missing is where do they get their cash? Are they adding ads? (maybe only on the web version) Are they collecting data and selling it? (This list is public so a lot of data is already available.) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
AK
Attila Kinali
Tue, Aug 23, 2016 7:32 AM

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 23:56:12 -0700
Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

Is there any advantage of using groups.io compared to a traditional
mailinglist? If not, I would prefer a traditional mailinglist. But maybe I
am just oldfashioned :-)

The obvious advantage is that there is a professional staff keeping things
running so you don't need your own admin/wizard.

But be aware that professional does not mean they are proficient,
just they are paid for doing it. Back in the days, MPlayer and FFmpeg
were hosted on sourceforge. We had about one outage/something not working
correctly once per month.. at least. When we moved to our own infrastructure
all problems went away. In the 10 years I took care of it, there was a total
downtime of about 2 or 3 days. febo.com (John Ackermans site which hosts
time-nuts) shows a similar track record, probably even better. Show me one
commercial service that has the same up-time performance.

Also, a couple of us already have the required infrastructure running.
Adding another mailinglist would not be a problem.

Anyways.. this is getting way too off topic, so I make this my last mail
on this.

If anyone wants, I can host the mailinglist. Or we can ask John.

			Attila Kinali

--
It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All
the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no
use without that foundation.
-- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 23:56:12 -0700 Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: > attila@kinali.ch said: > > Is there any advantage of using groups.io compared to a traditional > > mailinglist? If not, I would prefer a traditional mailinglist. But maybe I > > am just oldfashioned :-) > > The obvious advantage is that there is a professional staff keeping things > running so you don't need your own admin/wizard. But be aware that professional does not mean they are proficient, just they are paid for doing it. Back in the days, MPlayer and FFmpeg were hosted on sourceforge. We had about one outage/something not working correctly once per month.. at least. When we moved to our own infrastructure all problems went away. In the 10 years I took care of it, there was a total downtime of about 2 or 3 days. febo.com (John Ackermans site which hosts time-nuts) shows a similar track record, probably even better. Show me one commercial service that has the same up-time performance. Also, a couple of us already have the required infrastructure running. Adding another mailinglist would not be a problem. Anyways.. this is getting way too off topic, so I make this my last mail on this. If anyone wants, I can host the mailinglist. Or we can ask John. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson