Is there a better AC reference I can afford than
http://www.ballantinelabs.com/1395.htm 1395B-XX
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John Phillips
Those are not references, but rather are AC thermal
transfer standards.
The way they work is you apply an unknown AC voltage
to it, and measure the DC voltage generated by
its thermocouple. Then you remove the AC voltage,
and apply a DC voltage that gives the same thermocouple
voltage. Usually, you apply the DC voltage with both
polarities, and average the two readings... which helps
to null out any thermocouple errors.
To successfully use an AC thermal transfer standard it
helps to have the controller instrument that goes along
with it.
Fluke makes as nice setup, as did HP.
At their best, they are twidgety, and quite sensitive to
ambient temperature variations, physical orientation,
air currents.... Apply too much voltage, and like the
light bulbs that they resemble, they go poof!
I don't think any metrologist has ever been truly happy
with the AC thermo transfer standard.
-Chuck Harris
John Phillips wrote:
Is there a better AC reference I can afford than
http://www.ballantinelabs.com/1395.htm 1395B-XX
these instruments are painfull to use, complex measurement procedures and pretty unstable (if you want to use their ppm resolution). I spend hours and hours calibrating a set. lots of data available from standards labs.
what I would recommend is a ballantine 1605A. easy to use, very precise, well priced, broad frequency range but needs to be calibrated of course as well. you could go from one single calibrated thermal converter (e.g. 10V) and with e.g. a nanovoltmeter (34420A) you could do a full 1605 ladder calibration. poor man's 792...
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. April 2015 um 21:17 Uhr
Von: "Chuck Harris" cfharris@erols.com
An: "Discussion of precise voltage measurement" volt-nuts@febo.com
Betreff: Re: [volt-nuts] AC voltage "standards".
Those are not references, but rather are AC thermal
transfer standards.
The way they work is you apply an unknown AC voltage
to it, and measure the DC voltage generated by
its thermocouple. Then you remove the AC voltage,
and apply a DC voltage that gives the same thermocouple
voltage. Usually, you apply the DC voltage with both
polarities, and average the two readings... which helps
to null out any thermocouple errors.
To successfully use an AC thermal transfer standard it
helps to have the controller instrument that goes along
with it.
Fluke makes as nice setup, as did HP.
At their best, they are twidgety, and quite sensitive to
ambient temperature variations, physical orientation,
air currents.... Apply too much voltage, and like the
light bulbs that they resemble, they go poof!
I don't think any metrologist has ever been truly happy
with the AC thermo transfer standard.
-Chuck Harris
acbern,
Which source(s) do you use to transfer the usable frequency range of the
thermal converters?
Todd
the ac source I use is a datron 4808. dc is a fluke 5440. also, what you need is a switchover unit (dc to ac to -dc), so things go fast. the overall procedure is important to get good results. also watch out for signal path voltage drops, as the converter is low impedance. sensing helps.
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. April 2015 um 02:45 Uhr
Von: "T Micallef" tmicallef@gmail.com
An: volt-nuts@febo.com
Betreff: Re: [volt-nuts] AC voltage
acbern,
Which source(s) do you use to transfer the usable frequency range of the
thermal converters?
Todd
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the ac source I use is a datron 4808. dc is a fluke 5440.
The HP3336 is a bit of an overlooked for AC cal, it can deliver very
well defined amplitudes thanks to the built in thermal converter/comparator
leveling gadget.
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