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Re: [time-nuts] HP5090A Off Air Standard Receiver

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GandalfG8@aol.com
Mon, Jun 19, 2017 2:13 PM

I'm sure there's various ways of doing it, a phase locked oscillator
perhaps, dividing 10MHz by 50, or perhaps my preferred lazy method of  dividing
800KHz by 4:-)

It really doesn't really matter all that much, the  initial comment was
just that it might be better to provide a 200KHz  signal from an alternative
source rather than attempt to modify the 5090 to  accept 198KHz and the
implementation itself should be quite  straightforward.

Nigel, GM8PZR

In a message dated 19/06/2017 14:46:59 GMT Summer Time, cjaysharp@gmail.com
writes:

If it's just locking to the carrier I wonder if it'd be possible  to use a
suitably modified PICDiv clocked from a 'standard' 10MHz GPS locked  device
like the Lucent?

On 19 June 2017 at 14:19, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts  time-nuts@febo.com
wrote:

I  suppose a converter from 198KHz could be an option but I know of at
least  one other experimenter who's run into problems with the  Teleswitch
modulation on the Droitwich signal when trying something  similar with a
5090A.

Although, from one point of view, running  it from the present 198KHz
signal might be considered the ultimate goal  it's the operation of the
hardware
itself that's of more interest  to me in this instance, so I'm  quite happy
just to feed it with an  accurate 200KHz signal from  whatever other sources
are  available.

Nigel, GM8PZR

How about building a frequency  converter to produce 200KHz; mixing  the
incoming RF (198KHz) with  2KHz derived from the output of the  unit,

On 18/06/2017 21:17,  GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:

Hi  Pete

That's quite good  timing, if you'll pardon the expression:-), as I
uploaded  a pdf  version of the 5090A manual to mediafire a couple of
months
ago....
http://www.mediafire.com/file/http://www.mediafire.com/filehttp://www.medi
(http://www.mediafire.com/file/u0bf1eips89uo3h/HP_5090A_Ops_and_Service.pdf)
I  know a few others have considered converting the 5090A to 198KHz  but
it's  not straightforward and I believe the general consensus  has been that
it's  not  really worth the effort.
I have a  5090B which I'm hoping  to get up and running when it  finally
reaches the top of the to do list and my  view is that it  would be much
better
to leave the original electronics  undisturbed  and to drive it with a  200
KHz signal divided down from a  from  a GPSDO or a rubidium  module,
although
having one of the  latter already  running at 800KHz  does leave me a  bit
biased:-)
Regards
Nigel,  GM8PZR


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I'm sure there's various ways of doing it, a phase locked oscillator perhaps, dividing 10MHz by 50, or perhaps my preferred lazy method of dividing 800KHz by 4:-) It really doesn't really matter all that much, the initial comment was just that it might be better to provide a 200KHz signal from an alternative source rather than attempt to modify the 5090 to accept 198KHz and the implementation itself should be quite straightforward. Nigel, GM8PZR In a message dated 19/06/2017 14:46:59 GMT Summer Time, cjaysharp@gmail.com writes: If it's just locking to the carrier I wonder if it'd be possible to use a suitably modified PICDiv clocked from a 'standard' 10MHz GPS locked device like the Lucent? On 19 June 2017 at 14:19, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: I suppose a converter from 198KHz could be an option but I know of at least one other experimenter who's run into problems with the Teleswitch modulation on the Droitwich signal when trying something similar with a 5090A. Although, from one point of view, running it from the present 198KHz signal might be considered the ultimate goal it's the operation of the hardware itself that's of more interest to me in this instance, so I'm quite happy just to feed it with an accurate 200KHz signal from whatever other sources are available. Nigel, GM8PZR How about building a frequency converter to produce 200KHz; mixing the incoming RF (198KHz) with 2KHz derived from the output of the unit, On 18/06/2017 21:17, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: > Hi Pete That's quite good timing, if you'll pardon the expression:-), as I uploaded a pdf version of the 5090A manual to mediafire a couple of months ago.... _http://www.mediafire.com/file/http://www.mediafire.com/filehttp://www.medi_ (http://www.mediafire.com/file/u0bf1eips89uo3h/HP_5090A_Ops_and_Service.pdf) I know a few others have considered converting the 5090A to 198KHz but it's not straightforward and I believe the general consensus has been that it's not really worth the effort. I have a 5090B which I'm hoping to get up and running when it finally reaches the top of the to do list and my view is that it would be much better to leave the original electronics undisturbed and to drive it with a 200 KHz signal divided down from a from a GPSDO or a rubidium module, although having one of the latter already running at 800KHz does leave me a bit biased:-) Regards Nigel, GM8PZR _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to _https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/https://www.febo.com/cgi-b_ (https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts) and follow the instructions there. -- Clint. No trees were harmed in the sending of this mail. However, a large number of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.