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Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Wed, Apr 5, 2017 3:30 PM

Why? oh why? is this only available as an analog clock??
I am wondering if Lacrosse only has the rights to an analog
version and that a higher priced digital version will
show up in some "professional" line from another vendor.
This is at least a plausible theory because this is
a well known business model:  "incremental" revenue
that doesn't "cannibalize" the cash cow.  At least
this is/was popular with HP/Agilent/Keysight management
where I work(ed).

Rick N6RK

On 4/4/2017 8:00 PM, paul swed wrote:

Really can't say that its c-max or not. Since if you try to download
anything from the sight the links are dead. But I do believe its the true
wwvb bpsk decoder. If it is the cme 8000 that chip works impressively well
even in New England.
But this is the first time I have stumbled across anything that used it if
I am guessing correctly. Heck I seem to remember it was supposed to be out
some 2-3 years ago around Christmas.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Tim Shoppa tshoppa@gmail.com wrote:

I have been happy with the Casio Waveceptor watches. They can display UTC.

They seem to reliably set themselves between midnight and 3AM each morning
when I'm wearing them here in Maryland, more reliably than the (non-PSK)
WWVB wall clocks.

The Casio WV58A-1AVCR is a plastic LCD watch for $28 that lasts a couple
years. The face scuffs easily and the band only lasts a little more than a
year before needing replacement.

I upgraded to the Metal-body-metal-band Casio WVA-M640D-1ACR almost a year
ago and am very happy. Analog display for local time, and the LCD display
can show UTC. About $90.

Tim N3QE


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Why? oh why? is this only available as an analog clock?? I am wondering if Lacrosse only has the rights to an analog version and that a higher priced digital version will show up in some "professional" line from another vendor. This is at least a plausible theory because this is a well known business model: "incremental" revenue that doesn't "cannibalize" the cash cow. At least this is/was popular with HP/Agilent/Keysight management where I work(ed). Rick N6RK On 4/4/2017 8:00 PM, paul swed wrote: > Really can't say that its c-max or not. Since if you try to download > anything from the sight the links are dead. But I do believe its the true > wwvb bpsk decoder. If it is the cme 8000 that chip works impressively well > even in New England. > But this is the first time I have stumbled across anything that used it if > I am guessing correctly. Heck I seem to remember it was supposed to be out > some 2-3 years ago around Christmas. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have been happy with the Casio Waveceptor watches. They can display UTC. >> >> They seem to reliably set themselves between midnight and 3AM each morning >> when I'm wearing them here in Maryland, more reliably than the (non-PSK) >> WWVB wall clocks. >> >> The Casio WV58A-1AVCR is a plastic LCD watch for $28 that lasts a couple >> years. The face scuffs easily and the band only lasts a little more than a >> year before needing replacement. >> >> I upgraded to the Metal-body-metal-band Casio WVA-M640D-1ACR almost a year >> ago and am very happy. Analog display for local time, and the LCD display >> can show UTC. About $90. >> >> Tim N3QE >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
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Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Wed, Apr 5, 2017 4:46 PM

In the office where I work, they have 5 clocks on the wall
showing local time here at HQ and at 4 other company sites.  It
is embarrassing that the clocks are always a few minutes
off from each other.  I can see where these would make sense.

Rick N6RK

On 4/5/2017 4:30 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

HI

UTC I understand. I’ve used that feature on “atomic” clocks in the past.
I’m still a bit unclear on how many people will set up a wall of clocks running
on a dozen or so time zones. Obviously the people making clocks are
very much in favor of doing that :)

Bob

On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist richard@karlquist.com wrote:

On 4/4/2017 3:19 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

Hi

Based on their web site, the model you saw is the one and only version that
does the new modulation. One very useful feature is the ability to set it to
any time zone world wide. I guess I missed the note on the WWVB coverage
area expanding to cover the entire planet …..:)

Bob

This feature is mainly so you can set the time zone for GMT/UTC.
Hopefully, there is a way to turn off daylight savings time as well.
Many previous atomic clocks covered only the time zones near Boulder
and could not display UTC.

Rick N6RK


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In the office where I work, they have 5 clocks on the wall showing local time here at HQ and at 4 other company sites. It is embarrassing that the clocks are always a few minutes off from each other. I can see where these would make sense. Rick N6RK On 4/5/2017 4:30 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > HI > > UTC I understand. I’ve used that feature on “atomic” clocks in the past. > I’m still a bit unclear on how many people will set up a wall of clocks running > on a dozen or so time zones. Obviously the people making clocks are > very much in favor of doing that :) > > Bob > >> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <richard@karlquist.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 4/4/2017 3:19 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Based on their web site, the model you saw is the one and only version that >>> does the new modulation. One very useful feature is the ability to set it to >>> any time zone world wide. I guess I missed the note on the WWVB coverage >>> area expanding to cover the entire planet …..:) >>> >>> Bob >>> >> >> This feature is mainly so you can set the time zone for GMT/UTC. >> Hopefully, there is a way to turn off daylight savings time as well. >> Many previous atomic clocks covered only the time zones near Boulder >> and could not display UTC. >> >> Rick N6RK >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
BK
Bob kb8tq
Wed, Apr 5, 2017 5:15 PM

Hi

The Lacrosse wall clocks I’m using now are hybrid analog / digital displays.
You get the time analog and the date off the digital display. For whatever
reason, that model is now history.

Bob

On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist richard@karlquist.com wrote:

Why? oh why? is this only available as an analog clock??
I am wondering if Lacrosse only has the rights to an analog
version and that a higher priced digital version will
show up in some "professional" line from another vendor.
This is at least a plausible theory because this is
a well known business model:  "incremental" revenue
that doesn't "cannibalize" the cash cow.  At least
this is/was popular with HP/Agilent/Keysight management
where I work(ed).

Rick N6RK

On 4/4/2017 8:00 PM, paul swed wrote:

Really can't say that its c-max or not. Since if you try to download
anything from the sight the links are dead. But I do believe its the true
wwvb bpsk decoder. If it is the cme 8000 that chip works impressively well
even in New England.
But this is the first time I have stumbled across anything that used it if
I am guessing correctly. Heck I seem to remember it was supposed to be out
some 2-3 years ago around Christmas.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Tim Shoppa tshoppa@gmail.com wrote:

I have been happy with the Casio Waveceptor watches. They can display UTC.

They seem to reliably set themselves between midnight and 3AM each morning
when I'm wearing them here in Maryland, more reliably than the (non-PSK)
WWVB wall clocks.

The Casio WV58A-1AVCR is a plastic LCD watch for $28 that lasts a couple
years. The face scuffs easily and the band only lasts a little more than a
year before needing replacement.

I upgraded to the Metal-body-metal-band Casio WVA-M640D-1ACR almost a year
ago and am very happy. Analog display for local time, and the LCD display
can show UTC. About $90.

Tim N3QE


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Hi The Lacrosse wall clocks I’m using now are hybrid analog / digital displays. You get the time analog and the date off the digital display. For whatever reason, that model is now history. Bob > On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <richard@karlquist.com> wrote: > > Why? oh why? is this only available as an analog clock?? > I am wondering if Lacrosse only has the rights to an analog > version and that a higher priced digital version will > show up in some "professional" line from another vendor. > This is at least a plausible theory because this is > a well known business model: "incremental" revenue > that doesn't "cannibalize" the cash cow. At least > this is/was popular with HP/Agilent/Keysight management > where I work(ed). > > Rick N6RK > > > On 4/4/2017 8:00 PM, paul swed wrote: >> Really can't say that its c-max or not. Since if you try to download >> anything from the sight the links are dead. But I do believe its the true >> wwvb bpsk decoder. If it is the cme 8000 that chip works impressively well >> even in New England. >> But this is the first time I have stumbled across anything that used it if >> I am guessing correctly. Heck I seem to remember it was supposed to be out >> some 2-3 years ago around Christmas. >> Regards >> Paul >> WB8TSL >> >> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have been happy with the Casio Waveceptor watches. They can display UTC. >>> >>> They seem to reliably set themselves between midnight and 3AM each morning >>> when I'm wearing them here in Maryland, more reliably than the (non-PSK) >>> WWVB wall clocks. >>> >>> The Casio WV58A-1AVCR is a plastic LCD watch for $28 that lasts a couple >>> years. The face scuffs easily and the band only lasts a little more than a >>> year before needing replacement. >>> >>> I upgraded to the Metal-body-metal-band Casio WVA-M640D-1ACR almost a year >>> ago and am very happy. Analog display for local time, and the LCD display >>> can show UTC. About $90. >>> >>> Tim N3QE >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
BK
Bob kb8tq
Wed, Apr 5, 2017 5:20 PM

Hi

On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Jim Harman j99harman@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Bob kb8tq kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

I’m still a bit unclear on how many people will set up a wall of clocks
running
on a dozen or so time zones. Obviously the people making clocks are
very much in favor of doing that

It's probably for flashy newsrooms, where they like to have clocks with the
time in London, Moscow, Tokyo, etc. It's nice to have all the second hands
jumping simultaneously!

The challenge there is to keep the clocks correct for summer time, which
changes on different dates in Europe and of course in the other direction
in the Southern Hemisphere.

I’m sure :) that the embedded information in the chip takes care of all that stuff
correctly ….

On a side note, my Citizen WWVB watch missed the change to DST this year.
I still had it set to European time and it was not able to figure out which system
to update to. I suppose it also may have been looking for DCF77 rather than WWVB.

Multiple time zone stuff is not simple.

Bob

--

--Jim Harman


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Hi > On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Jim Harman <j99harman@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Bob kb8tq <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > >> I’m still a bit unclear on how many people will set up a wall of clocks >> running >> on a dozen or so time zones. Obviously the people making clocks are >> very much in favor of doing that >> > > It's probably for flashy newsrooms, where they like to have clocks with the > time in London, Moscow, Tokyo, etc. It's nice to have all the second hands > jumping simultaneously! > > The challenge there is to keep the clocks correct for summer time, which > changes on different dates in Europe and of course in the other direction > in the Southern Hemisphere. I’m *sure* :) that the embedded information in the chip takes care of all that stuff correctly …. On a side note, my Citizen WWVB watch missed the change to DST this year. I still had it set to European time and it was not able to figure out which system to update to. I suppose it also may have been looking for DCF77 rather than WWVB. Multiple time zone stuff is *not* simple. Bob > > > -- > > --Jim Harman > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.