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HP5090A Off Air Standard Receiver

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GandalfG8@aol.com
Sun, Jun 18, 2017 8:17 PM

Hi Pete

That's quite good timing, if you'll pardon the expression:-), as I uploaded
a pdf version of the 5090A manual to mediafire a couple of months  ago....

http://www.mediafire.com/file/u0bf1eips89uo3h/HP_5090A_Ops_and_Service.pdf

I know a few others have considered converting the 5090A to 198KHz but it's
not straightforward and I believe the general consensus has been that it's
not  really worth the effort.

I have a 5090B which I'm hoping to get up and running when it finally
reaches the top of the to do list and my view is that it would be much better to
leave the original electronics undisturbed and to drive it with a  200 KHz
signal divided down from a from a GPSDO or a rubidium  module, although
having one of the latter already running at 800KHz  does leave me a bit
biased:-)

Regards

Nigel, GM8PZR

Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy of the user /  technical
manual they would share with me?All expenses covered.
This rather  unusual unit was produced in the UK in the days or the rather
sensible 200kHz  Droitwich transmissions.
Im considering reworking the unit to the newer  198kHz standard.
PeteG4GJL

Hi Pete That's quite good timing, if you'll pardon the expression:-), as I uploaded a pdf version of the 5090A manual to mediafire a couple of months ago.... http://www.mediafire.com/file/u0bf1eips89uo3h/HP_5090A_Ops_and_Service.pdf I know a few others have considered converting the 5090A to 198KHz but it's not straightforward and I believe the general consensus has been that it's not really worth the effort. I have a 5090B which I'm hoping to get up and running when it finally reaches the top of the to do list and my view is that it would be much better to leave the original electronics undisturbed and to drive it with a 200 KHz signal divided down from a from a GPSDO or a rubidium module, although having one of the latter already running at 800KHz does leave me a bit biased:-) Regards Nigel, GM8PZR Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy of the user / technical manual they would share with me?All expenses covered. This rather unusual unit was produced in the UK in the days or the rather sensible 200kHz Droitwich transmissions. Im considering reworking the unit to the newer 198kHz standard. PeteG4GJL
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Ruslan Nabioullin
Mon, Jun 19, 2017 1:52 AM

On 06/18/2017 04:17 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:> I have a
5090B which I'm hoping to get up and running when it finally

reaches the top of the to do list and my view is that it would be much better to
leave the original electronics undisturbed and to drive it with a  200 KHz
signal divided down from a from a GPSDO or a rubidium  module, although
having one of the latter already running at 800KHz  does leave me a bit
biased:-)

What in the world would the point of that be!?  It appears to be a
long-obsolete product, so have you searched for more modern time code
receivers from timing instrumentation (Meinberg, Brandywine, et al.) and
surplus vendors?  It'll probably be pretty expensive, for it's probably
much less popular than WWVB and DCF77.  Have you tried the latter?  It
might be receivable from Britain, and I've seen some surplus DCF77
receivers (e.g., an old ISA card).

-Ruslan

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Ruslan Nabioullin
Wittgenstein Laboratories
rnabioullin@gmail.com
(508) 523-8535
50 Louise Dr.
Hollis, NH 03049

On 06/18/2017 04:17 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:> I have a 5090B which I'm hoping to get up and running when it finally > reaches the top of the to do list and my view is that it would be much better to > leave the original electronics undisturbed and to drive it with a 200 KHz > signal divided down from a from a GPSDO or a rubidium module, although > having one of the latter already running at 800KHz does leave me a bit > biased:-) What in the world would the point of that be!? It appears to be a long-obsolete product, so have you searched for more modern time code receivers from timing instrumentation (Meinberg, Brandywine, et al.) and surplus vendors? It'll probably be pretty expensive, for it's probably much less popular than WWVB and DCF77. Have you tried the latter? It might be receivable from Britain, and I've seen some surplus DCF77 receivers (e.g., an old ISA card). -Ruslan -- Ruslan Nabioullin Wittgenstein Laboratories rnabioullin@gmail.com (508) 523-8535 50 Louise Dr. Hollis, NH 03049
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Attila Kinali
Mon, Jun 19, 2017 7:29 AM

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:52:04 -0400
Ruslan Nabioullin rnabioullin@gmail.com wrote:

What in the world would the point of that be!?  It appears to be a
long-obsolete product, so have you searched for more modern time code
receivers from timing instrumentation (Meinberg, Brandywine, et al.) and
surplus vendors?  It'll probably be pretty expensive, for it's probably
much less popular than WWVB and DCF77.  Have you tried the latter?  It
might be receivable from Britain, and I've seen some surplus DCF77
receivers (e.g., an old ISA card).

You aren't seriously asking a time-nut what the point of doing something is,
are you? We are doing what we do because we think it's fun. Because we
might learn something. Or because we think it would be cool. Not everything
needs to have a rational goal judged by price vs. performance, does it?

		Attila Kinali

--
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.
They don't alters their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to
fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the
facts that needs altering.  -- The Doctor

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:52:04 -0400 Ruslan Nabioullin <rnabioullin@gmail.com> wrote: > What in the world would the point of that be!? It appears to be a > long-obsolete product, so have you searched for more modern time code > receivers from timing instrumentation (Meinberg, Brandywine, et al.) and > surplus vendors? It'll probably be pretty expensive, for it's probably > much less popular than WWVB and DCF77. Have you tried the latter? It > might be receivable from Britain, and I've seen some surplus DCF77 > receivers (e.g., an old ISA card). You aren't seriously asking a time-nut what the point of doing something is, are you? We are doing what we do because we think it's fun. Because we might learn something. Or because we think it would be cool. Not everything needs to have a rational goal judged by price vs. performance, does it? Attila Kinali -- You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alters their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. -- The Doctor
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Stephen Tompsett
Mon, Jun 19, 2017 12:41 PM

How about building a frequency converter to produce 200KHz; mixing the
incoming RF (198KHz) with 2KHz derived from the output of the unit,

On 18/06/2017 21:17, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote:

Hi Pete

That's quite good timing, if you'll pardon the expression:-), as I uploaded
a pdf version of the 5090A manual to mediafire a couple of months  ago....

http://www.mediafire.com/file/u0bf1eips89uo3h/HP_5090A_Ops_and_Service.pdf

I know a few others have considered converting the 5090A to 198KHz but it's
not straightforward and I believe the general consensus has been that it's
not  really worth the effort.

I have a 5090B which I'm hoping to get up and running when it finally
reaches the top of the to do list and my view is that it would be much better to
leave the original electronics undisturbed and to drive it with a  200 KHz
signal divided down from a from a GPSDO or a rubidium  module, although
having one of the latter already running at 800KHz  does leave me a bit
biased:-)

Regards

Nigel, GM8PZR

Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy of the user /  technical
manual they would share with me?All expenses covered.
This rather  unusual unit was produced in the UK in the days or the rather
sensible 200kHz  Droitwich transmissions.
Im considering reworking the unit to the newer  198kHz standard.
PeteG4GJL


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How about building a frequency converter to produce 200KHz; mixing the incoming RF (198KHz) with 2KHz derived from the output of the unit, On 18/06/2017 21:17, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: > Hi Pete > > That's quite good timing, if you'll pardon the expression:-), as I uploaded > a pdf version of the 5090A manual to mediafire a couple of months ago.... > > http://www.mediafire.com/file/u0bf1eips89uo3h/HP_5090A_Ops_and_Service.pdf > > I know a few others have considered converting the 5090A to 198KHz but it's > not straightforward and I believe the general consensus has been that it's > not really worth the effort. > > I have a 5090B which I'm hoping to get up and running when it finally > reaches the top of the to do list and my view is that it would be much better to > leave the original electronics undisturbed and to drive it with a 200 KHz > signal divided down from a from a GPSDO or a rubidium module, although > having one of the latter already running at 800KHz does leave me a bit > biased:-) > > Regards > > Nigel, GM8PZR > > Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy of the user / technical > manual they would share with me?All expenses covered. > This rather unusual unit was produced in the UK in the days or the rather > sensible 200kHz Droitwich transmissions. > Im considering reworking the unit to the newer 198kHz standard. > PeteG4GJL > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Stephen Tompsett
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Clay Autery
Mon, Jun 19, 2017 1:55 PM

And Attila wins the reflector for today!!!  <big smile>


Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/19/2017 2:29 AM, Attila Kinali wrote:

You aren't seriously asking a time-nut what the point of doing something is,
are you? We are doing what we do because we think it's fun. Because we
might learn something. Or because we think it would be cool. Not everything
needs to have a rational goal judged by price vs. performance, does it?

		Attila Kinali
And Attila wins the reflector for today!!! <big smile> ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G On 6/19/2017 2:29 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > You aren't seriously asking a time-nut what the point of doing something is, > are you? We are doing what we do because we think it's fun. Because we > might learn something. Or because we think it would be cool. Not everything > needs to have a rational goal judged by price vs. performance, does it? > > Attila Kinali >