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Clean 10 MHz ref

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Nick Wagner
Tue, Sep 13, 2016 7:42 PM

Hi to time nuts.. This source has been mentioned before. I purchased a unit
several months after seeing it recommended. It is made by Leo Bodnar
Electronics in England. It is

The simplest way to get a very clean 10 MHz sq wave. I have only observed
the 10 MHz on a scope .. have no other reference to check it. Either phase
noise or adev, but data sheet

Promised very good phase noise. Mine cost $224.98 USD. Including postage It
comes with an ant you can just hang out the window and is powered by USB.
You need to use a USB Charger, because the PC USB port may be too weak

Other frequencies may also be produced(not a trivial task) .. It has two
outputs which may have different frequencies.. It is not a GPSDO in the
normal sense .. I think it is phase locked to the L1 carrier.

Nick Wagner ..  KB6PL

Hi to time nuts.. This source has been mentioned before. I purchased a unit several months after seeing it recommended. It is made by Leo Bodnar Electronics in England. It is The simplest way to get a very clean 10 MHz sq wave. I have only observed the 10 MHz on a scope .. have no other reference to check it. Either phase noise or adev, but data sheet Promised very good phase noise. Mine cost $224.98 USD. Including postage It comes with an ant you can just hang out the window and is powered by USB. You need to use a USB Charger, because the PC USB port may be too weak Other frequencies may also be produced(not a trivial task) .. It has two outputs which may have different frequencies.. It is not a GPSDO in the normal sense .. I think it is phase locked to the L1 carrier. Nick Wagner .. KB6PL
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Wes
Tue, Sep 13, 2016 9:43 PM

On 9/13/2016 12:42 PM, Nick Wagner wrote:

Hi to time nuts.. This source has been mentioned before. I purchased a unit
several months after seeing it recommended. It is made by Leo Bodnar
Electronics in England. It is

The simplest way to get a very clean 10 MHz sq wave. I have only observed
the 10 MHz on a scope .. have no other reference to check it. Either phase
noise or adev, but data sheet

Promised very good phase noise. Mine cost $224.98 USD. Including postage It
comes with an ant you can just hang out the window and is powered by USB.
You need to use a USB Charger, because the PC USB port may be too weak

Other frequencies may also be produced(not a trivial task) .. It has two
outputs which may have different frequencies.. It is not a GPSDO in the
normal sense .. I think it is phase locked to the L1 carrier.

Nick Wagner ..  KB6PL

It is non-trivial to set other than a few embedded frequencies with the existing
software.  There has been a veiled promise of improved software that remains
unfulfilled.  It is a GPSDO, although the internal oscillator is a TCXO, not an
OCXO.  Mine runs on even a laptop USB port.

Wes

On 9/13/2016 12:42 PM, Nick Wagner wrote: > Hi to time nuts.. This source has been mentioned before. I purchased a unit > several months after seeing it recommended. It is made by Leo Bodnar > Electronics in England. It is > > The simplest way to get a very clean 10 MHz sq wave. I have only observed > the 10 MHz on a scope .. have no other reference to check it. Either phase > noise or adev, but data sheet > > Promised very good phase noise. Mine cost $224.98 USD. Including postage It > comes with an ant you can just hang out the window and is powered by USB. > You need to use a USB Charger, because the PC USB port may be too weak > > Other frequencies may also be produced(not a trivial task) .. It has two > outputs which may have different frequencies.. It is not a GPSDO in the > normal sense .. I think it is phase locked to the L1 carrier. > > Nick Wagner .. KB6PL It is non-trivial to set other than a few embedded frequencies with the existing software. There has been a veiled promise of improved software that remains unfulfilled. It is a GPSDO, although the internal oscillator is a TCXO, not an OCXO. Mine runs on even a laptop USB port. Wes >
DJ
David J Taylor
Wed, Sep 14, 2016 9:59 AM

It is non-trivial to set other than a few embedded frequencies with the
existing
software.  There has been a veiled promise of improved software that remains
unfulfilled.  It is a GPSDO, although the internal oscillator is a TCXO, not
an
OCXO.  Mine runs on even a laptop USB port.

Wes

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Folks,

Mine's running of a standard PC USB port, and the power consumption measures
between 220 and 240 mA.

With the supplied software (mine dated 2016-May-10, but that may have been
the install date) setting the frequency is simply typing in the frequency in
Hz, clicking "Find" and clicking "Update".  I've tried a whole variety of
random frequencies (e.g. 123.456789 MHz) and the device locks within a few
seconds.

One limit is that the second output frequency needs to be related to the
first, as far as I can tell.

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv

It is non-trivial to set other than a few embedded frequencies with the existing software. There has been a veiled promise of improved software that remains unfulfilled. It is a GPSDO, although the internal oscillator is a TCXO, not an OCXO. Mine runs on even a laptop USB port. Wes ====================================== Folks, Mine's running of a standard PC USB port, and the power consumption measures between 220 and 240 mA. With the supplied software (mine dated 2016-May-10, but that may have been the install date) setting the frequency is simply typing in the frequency in Hz, clicking "Find" and clicking "Update". I've tried a whole variety of random frequencies (e.g. 123.456789 MHz) and the device locks within a few seconds. One limit is that the second output frequency needs to be related to the first, as far as I can tell. Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv
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Wes
Wed, Sep 14, 2016 8:44 PM

On 9/14/2016 2:59 AM, David J Taylor wrote:

It is non-trivial to set other than a few embedded frequencies with the existing
software.  There has been a veiled promise of improved software that remains
unfulfilled.  It is a GPSDO, although the internal oscillator is a TCXO, not an
OCXO.  Mine runs on even a laptop USB port.

Wes

---=====

Folks,

Mine's running of a standard PC USB port, and the power consumption measures
between 220 and 240 mA.

With the supplied software (mine dated 2016-May-10, but that may have been the
install date) setting the frequency is simply typing in the frequency in Hz,
clicking "Find" and clicking "Update". I've tried a whole variety of random
frequencies (e.g. 123.456789 MHz) and the device locks within a few seconds.

One limit is that the second output frequency needs to be related to the
first, as far as I can tell.

Cheers,
David

True for the first frequency.  The second statement may or may not be true, it
was not clear in the original description of the device.  When I wrote Leo and
asked about a specific second frequency he did a manual calculation and sent me
the parameters. From another email reply:

"Sorry, did not catch your email first time.  Thank you for your custom!

The numbers are internal settings of PLL chip Si5328 and you can find more
details here:
https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si53xxReferenceManual.pdf

You can set other frequencies just by typing them into Output 1 box and
clicking "Find"  This will find and program the new frequency.

If you want two separate frequencies at the same time it gets a bit tricky
and often need manual setup.  In such case let me know what combination you
would like and i will try to find the correct settings."

While this is process is helpful, it is hardly convenient and frankly me
deciphering the doc without a Rosetta Stone isn't going to happen.

Wes, N7WS

On 9/14/2016 2:59 AM, David J Taylor wrote: > It is non-trivial to set other than a few embedded frequencies with the existing > software. There has been a veiled promise of improved software that remains > unfulfilled. It is a GPSDO, although the internal oscillator is a TCXO, not an > OCXO. Mine runs on even a laptop USB port. > > Wes > ====================================== > > Folks, > > Mine's running of a standard PC USB port, and the power consumption measures > between 220 and 240 mA. > > With the supplied software (mine dated 2016-May-10, but that may have been the > install date) setting the frequency is simply typing in the frequency in Hz, > clicking "Find" and clicking "Update". I've tried a whole variety of random > frequencies (e.g. 123.456789 MHz) and the device locks within a few seconds. > > One limit is that the second output frequency needs to be related to the > first, as far as I can tell. > > Cheers, > David True for the first frequency. The second statement may or may not be true, it was not clear in the original description of the device. When I wrote Leo and asked about a specific second frequency he did a manual calculation and sent me the parameters. From another email reply: "Sorry, did not catch your email first time. Thank you for your custom! The numbers are internal settings of PLL chip Si5328 and you can find more details here: https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si53xxReferenceManual.pdf You can set other frequencies just by typing them into Output 1 box and clicking "Find" This will find and program the new frequency. If you want two separate frequencies at the same time it gets a bit tricky and often need manual setup. In such case let me know what combination you would like and i will try to find the correct settings." While this is process is helpful, it is hardly convenient and frankly me deciphering the doc without a Rosetta Stone isn't going to happen. Wes, N7WS
DJ
David J Taylor
Thu, Sep 15, 2016 9:09 AM

True for the first frequency.  The second statement may or may not be true,
it
was not clear in the original description of the device.  When I wrote Leo
and
asked about a specific second frequency he did a manual calculation and sent
me
the parameters. From another email reply:

"Sorry, did not catch your email first time.  Thank you for your custom!

The numbers are internal settings of PLL chip Si5328 and you can find 

more
details here:
https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si53xxReferenceManual.pdf

You can set other frequencies just by typing them into Output 1 box and
clicking "Find"  This will find and program the new frequency.

If you want two separate frequencies at the same time it gets a bit 

tricky
and often need manual setup.  In such case let me know what combination
you
would like and i will try to find the correct settings."

While this is process is helpful, it is hardly convenient and frankly me
deciphering the doc without a Rosetta Stone isn't going to happen.

Wes, N7WS

---=

Wes,

Yes, the second frequency does depend on the first, and this is noted in the
review:

http://www.force12inc.com/content/Bodnar%20GPSDO%20QST%20review.pdf

You can easily have both outputs at the same frequency (e.g. 10 MHz),
though.  Thanks for the pointer to the datasheet.

For me, just having the easily-adjustable single GPS-locked frequency in
such a compact, ready-to-run, unit is great.  Perhaps someone will write a
little program to enable fuller use of the second output.

73,
David GM8ARV

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv

True for the first frequency. The second statement may or may not be true, it was not clear in the original description of the device. When I wrote Leo and asked about a specific second frequency he did a manual calculation and sent me the parameters. From another email reply: "Sorry, did not catch your email first time. Thank you for your custom! The numbers are internal settings of PLL chip Si5328 and you can find more details here: https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si53xxReferenceManual.pdf You can set other frequencies just by typing them into Output 1 box and clicking "Find" This will find and program the new frequency. If you want two separate frequencies at the same time it gets a bit tricky and often need manual setup. In such case let me know what combination you would like and i will try to find the correct settings." While this is process is helpful, it is hardly convenient and frankly me deciphering the doc without a Rosetta Stone isn't going to happen. Wes, N7WS ================================== Wes, Yes, the second frequency does depend on the first, and this is noted in the review: http://www.force12inc.com/content/Bodnar%20GPSDO%20QST%20review.pdf You can easily have both outputs at the same frequency (e.g. 10 MHz), though. Thanks for the pointer to the datasheet. For me, just having the easily-adjustable single GPS-locked frequency in such a compact, ready-to-run, unit is great. Perhaps someone will write a little program to enable fuller use of the second output. 73, David GM8ARV -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv