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PRS10 PRBB Shematics

JT
Jacques Tiete
Fri, Oct 6, 2017 9:19 PM

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.

thanks & 73’s,

Jacques

Jacques Tiete
jacques@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78

Fellow timenuts, I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info. An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant. thanks & 73’s, Jacques Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78
MC
Mike Cook
Sat, Oct 7, 2017 1:16 PM

Hi Jacques,
I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up?
I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual.
Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list.

The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197

You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.

Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably.
The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going  but narrow pulse.

Mike

Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org a écrit :

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.

thanks & 73’s,

Jacques

Jacques Tiete
jacques@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78


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Hi Jacques, I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS. As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up? I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual. Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197 You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008, from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference. Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D. So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going but narrow pulse. Mike > Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete <jacques@tiete.org> a écrit : > > Fellow timenuts, > > I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info. > An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant. > > > thanks & 73’s, > > Jacques > > > Jacques Tiete > jacques@tiete.org > GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78 > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. » George Bernard Shaw
J
Jerry
Sat, Oct 7, 2017 2:06 PM

Mike

I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do have the coax insert part number you listed.  Are you aware of any other source for the entire connector?

Jerry, NY2KW

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

Hi Jacques,
I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up?
I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual.
Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list.

The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197

You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.

Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably.
The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going  but narrow pulse.

Mike

Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org a écrit :

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.

thanks & 73’s,

Jacques

Jacques Tiete
jacques@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78


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Mike I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do have the coax insert part number you listed. Are you aware of any other source for the entire connector? Jerry, NY2KW -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics Hi Jacques, I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS. As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up? I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual. Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197 You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008, from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference. Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D. So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going but narrow pulse. Mike > Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete <jacques@tiete.org> a écrit : > > Fellow timenuts, > > I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info. > An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant. > > > thanks & 73’s, > > Jacques > > > Jacques Tiete > jacques@tiete.org > GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78 > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. » George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
BK
Bob kb8tq
Sat, Oct 7, 2017 3:26 PM

Hi

Any time I’ve bought those connectors, it has been as shells, bodies, and inserts. You buy the bits and
peces to put together. The reason is fairly simple. There are multiple “big fat” inserts that can
go into them. Shells come a lot of ways. Coax, and various high current contacts are the fairly normal inserts.
There are some really exotic inserts as well. In some cases, the bodies are a “14 week back order / minimum
quantity per order” sort of thing.

Bob

On Oct 7, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jerry jsternmd@att.net wrote:

Mike

I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do have the coax insert part number you listed.  Are you aware of any other source for the entire connector?

Jerry, NY2KW

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

Hi Jacques,
I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up?
I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual.
Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list.

The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197

You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.

Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably.
The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going  but narrow pulse.

Mike

Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org a écrit :

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.

thanks & 73’s,

Jacques

Jacques Tiete
jacques@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78


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Hi Any time I’ve bought those connectors, it has been as shells, bodies, and inserts. You buy the bits and peces to put together. The reason is fairly simple. There are multiple “big fat” inserts that can go into them. Shells come a lot of ways. Coax, and various high current contacts are the fairly normal inserts. There are some really exotic inserts as well. In some cases, the bodies are a “14 week back order / minimum quantity per order” sort of thing. Bob > On Oct 7, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jerry <jsternmd@att.net> wrote: > > Mike > > I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do have the coax insert part number you listed. Are you aware of any other source for the entire connector? > > Jerry, NY2KW > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics > > Hi Jacques, > I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS. > As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up? > I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual. > Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. > > The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197 > > You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008, from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference. > > Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D. > So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. > The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going but narrow pulse. > > Mike > >> Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete <jacques@tiete.org> a écrit : >> >> Fellow timenuts, >> >> I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info. >> An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant. >> >> >> thanks & 73’s, >> >> Jacques >> >> >> Jacques Tiete >> jacques@tiete.org >> GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. » George Bernard Shaw > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
MC
Mike Cook
Sat, Oct 7, 2017 3:53 PM

I couldn’t find the entire connector anywhere.
The unpopulated D-Sub Digikey id is DAM-11W1SM-A197 (sorry, I had dropped the 1)
I couldn’t find a european distributer. Mouser has no stock.

Le 7 oct. 2017 à 16:06, Jerry jsternmd@att.net a écrit :

Mike

I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do have the coax insert part number you listed.  Are you aware of any other source for the entire connector?

Jerry, NY2KW

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

Hi Jacques,
I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS.
As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up?
I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual.
Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list.

The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197

You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008,  from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference.

Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D.
So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably.
The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going  but narrow pulse.

Mike

Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org a écrit :

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.

thanks & 73’s,

Jacques

Jacques Tiete
jacques@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78


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I couldn’t find the entire connector anywhere. The unpopulated D-Sub Digikey id is DAM-11W1SM-A197 (sorry, I had dropped the 1) I couldn’t find a european distributer. Mouser has no stock. > Le 7 oct. 2017 à 16:06, Jerry <jsternmd@att.net> a écrit : > > Mike > > I searched Digikey for the canon connector but could not find it... they do have the coax insert part number you listed. Are you aware of any other source for the entire connector? > > Jerry, NY2KW > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cook > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:16 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics > > Hi Jacques, > I’ve bought three of these PRBB for my PRS10s and got none of the information that you are interested in supplied by SRS. > As you are asking for the Cannon connector used, I presume you don’t have one and maybe want to make one up? > I have removed one and confirm that the Cannon connector is that described in the Operation and Service manual. > Unfortunately the parts are not in that manuals parts list. > > The connectors on mine are marked DAM-11WSM-A197 > > You can get both that and the coax connector insert,DM53740-5008, from Digikey for instance. Note the 2nd M is not in the Digikey reference. > > Conceptually it looks pretty simple, with 10MHZ and 1PPS IN being just passed through and the data signals being inverted with a 74HC14D. > So there is no full RS232 conversion, limiting cable length probably. > The 1LOCK/1PPS OUT signal through Cannon pin 1 appears to be double inverted before being fead to the BNC, to enable a LOCK lead to be lit as well as having the positive going but narrow pulse. > > Mike > >> Le 6 oct. 2017 à 23:19, Jacques Tiete <jacques@tiete.org> a écrit : >> >> Fellow timenuts, >> >> I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info. >> An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant. >> >> >> thanks & 73’s, >> >> Jacques >> >> >> Jacques Tiete >> jacques@tiete.org >> GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. » George Bernard Shaw > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. » George Bernard Shaw
JT
Jacques Tiete
Mon, Oct 9, 2017 3:37 AM

Thanks for the prompt reactions, in the mean time I understood Cannon connectors can be a real pain in the xxx :-) to figure out the right one.

Jacques

Op 6 okt. 2017, om 23:19 heeft Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org het volgende geschreven:

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.

thanks & 73’s,

Jacques

Jacques Tiete
jacques@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78

Thanks for the prompt reactions, in the mean time I understood Cannon connectors can be a real pain in the xxx :-) to figure out the right one. Jacques Op 6 okt. 2017, om 23:19 heeft Jacques Tiete <jacques@tiete.org> het volgende geschreven: Fellow timenuts, I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info. An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant. thanks & 73’s, Jacques Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78
LA
Li Ang
Mon, Oct 9, 2017 12:39 PM

Hi Guys
I have just bought 2 kinds of PRS10 connectors on taobao.com. (PCB type and cable type, refer to the attached photo). It is about 8$ each(the D-SUB + center RF part). If you are looking for it, I can send you the link off the list.

Yours

Li Ang / BI7LNQ

------------------ Original ------------------
From:  "Jacques Tiete";jacques@tiete.org;
Date:  Mon, Oct 9, 2017 11:37 AM
To:  "TimeNuts"time-nuts@febo.com;

Subject:  Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics

Thanks for the prompt reactions, in the mean time I understood Cannon connectors can be a real pain in the xxx :-) to figure out the right one.

Jacques

Op 6 okt. 2017, om 23:19 heeft Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org het volgende geschreven:

Fellow timenuts,

I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info.
An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant.

thanks & 73’s,

Jacques

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jacques@tiete.org
GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78


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Hi Guys I have just bought 2 kinds of PRS10 connectors on taobao.com. (PCB type and cable type, refer to the attached photo). It is about 8$ each(the D-SUB + center RF part). If you are looking for it, I can send you the link off the list. Yours Li Ang / BI7LNQ ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "Jacques Tiete";<jacques@tiete.org>; Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2017 11:37 AM To: "TimeNuts"<time-nuts@febo.com>; Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 PRBB Shematics Thanks for the prompt reactions, in the mean time I understood Cannon connectors can be a real pain in the xxx :-) to figure out the right one. Jacques Op 6 okt. 2017, om 23:19 heeft Jacques Tiete <jacques@tiete.org> het volgende geschreven: Fellow timenuts, I’d like to find some more info about the SRS “PRBB” breakout board for the PRS10, schematic diagram, parts list (eg. the cannon pcb connector used) and all relevant info. An internet/timenuts research did not turn up anything relevant. thanks & 73’s, Jacques Jacques Tiete jacques@tiete.org GSM: 32(0)499 99 83 78 _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.